Will the DRM affect your Purchase? - Page 33

OakGroove · 02-21-10, 05:15 PM

Good post Mikkow

tommyk · 02-21-10, 05:24 PM

Very well said Mikkow!

V.C. Sniper · 02-21-10, 05:37 PM

i'm just not gonna buy it at launch if it ain't finish

Fantasm · 02-21-10, 06:18 PM

This will probably become one of the MOST pirated games out there....
All this complaining about the DRM is moving SH5 into the Pirate's attack scope....
Every pirate out there will be trying to crack and distribute this game... They get their online "cred" for beating a new protection scheme... and distributing it as widely as possible... What may have had little interest to most pirates because of it's niche market will now become the proverbial red flag to a bull to them, they thrive on challenges like this....
The pirates will have this beaten in hours... To them, failure is not an option....

Sailor Steve · 02-21-10, 06:26 PM

Probably true, but irrelevant to me. I don't play pirated games either. The ones being hurt the most are the ones who want to buy the game and play it.

Offline.

soldat32 · 02-21-10, 06:34 PM

They totally ripped out the ability to play a career the entire length of the war and instead have given customers the ability to roam the sub on foot.I say big deal!THat's going to be a purchase killer for a lot of fans of this genre as well as only 1 sub option.What the heck were they thinking?Do they think customers will pay for each new sub added later or something?

Other then graphics there is really nothing to see here that's spectacular.I laugh at this excuse put forth that the reason they only modeled 1 sub was to dedicate their time to a more accurate simulation.That's complete hogwash.Every SH title prior to this modeled several subs and did it pretty well.Really they are down playing the truth here and that truth is that the development team was rushed and/or just plain lazy as was the case in SH3 and 4.This time around though its much worse and aside from a severe lack of playability they shove a very nasty DRM upon their customers.

I hope UBI learns an important lesson here.Do not ignore or piss down your customers backs and tell them its raining.

Seafireliv · 02-21-10, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldat32

I hope UBI learns an important lesson here.Do not ignore or piss down your customers backs and tell them its raining.

That`s exactly what they`re trying to do.

Snakeeyes · 02-22-10, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

This will be the second time I have forfeited a game I am passionate
about because the DRM system won't let me own the game after I have
paid for it.

It breaks my heart.

I second.

I've just surfaced after being out of radio contact for about 6 months now. I was excited when I heard about SH5 but can't believe what they are doing.

Well... if the Bears can choose to keep Lovie Smith in charge ANY management FUBAR is possible in the world.

Sorry Ubisoft... no DRM no cash from my wallet. I think Ubisoft will fold eventually on this when they don't profit.

OakGroove · 02-22-10, 04:13 AM

Just read an article on google`s and facebooks business models

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233773

Excerpt:

Quote:

The problem with buying things with your privacy is you really don't know how much you're paying. With money, five bucks is five bucks. But what is the value of your list of friends? If it's not worth much, your membership on Facebook may be the deal of a lifetime. If it's incredibly valuable, you're getting massively ripped off. Only the techies know how much your info is worth, and they're not telling. But the fact that they'd rather get your data than your dollars tells you all you need to know.

Wish more people would take a minute to think about how far reaching their buying decision on any Uplay injected title could be. If there was a general acceptance towards this kind of implementation, future escalation of the software is just an account away. Most DRM debates are centric on "Pirates" and companies loosing revenue because of. Piracy has always been there, for decades. Entertainment companies must have this position in their calculus, fully knowing that available DRM technology will protect their products only temporarily - and they openly admit it.

Reece · 02-22-10, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Probably true, but irrelevant to me. I don't play pirated games either. The ones being hurt the most are the ones who want to buy the game and play it.

Offline.

Same here, I'm just hoping for a NoDRM patch so I can install the legal purchased version then apply the patch!

Brag · 02-22-10, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakeeyes

I second.

I've just surfaced after being out of radio contact for about 6 months now. I was excited when I heard about SH5 but can't believe what they are doing.

Well... if the Bears can choose to keep Lovie Smith in charge ANY management FUBAR is possible in the world.

Sorry Ubisoft... no DRM no cash from my wallet. I think Ubisoft will fold eventually on this when they don't profit.

If Ubisoft management is not reading this forum, they are ignorant idiots. If they don't stop pissing nearly everyone off, they deserve to go broke. SHV, Settlers and Assassins Creed II represent a lot of money to be lost.

If they don't get rid of DRM/OSP/Youplay we're going to see a spectacular train wreck.

raymond6751 · 02-22-10, 06:17 AM

When I buy a game I expect to play it, without strings attached or any buts. I won't buy this game now or any that use Steam or any other 'must' do or 'must' connect rules.

I seriously doubt that Ubisoft has lost so much to piracy that it warrants handcuffing the public.

Seafireliv · 02-22-10, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakGroove

Just read an article on google`s and facebooks business models

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233773

Excerpt:

Wish more people would take a minute to think about how far reaching their buying decision on any Uplay injected title could be. If there was a general acceptance towards this kind of implementation, future escalation of the software is just an account away. Most DRM debates are centric on "Pirates" and companies loosing revenue because of. Piracy has always been there, for decades. Entertainment companies must have this position in their calculus, fully knowing that available DRM technology will protect their products only temporarily - and they openly admit it.

I truly believe as well that this goes much further than just pirates or even just greed on UBI`s part.

If this kind of DRM becomes accepted, expect to see every single game and program start using it. Expect then, that every single time you start your PC they`ll be a rule that they know about it. expect then that you`ll be expected to pay a monthly fee to play.

Even expect that eventually, you`ll be required to supply your name and address and age and whatever else (WITH PROOF) before you can play the game you bought before you can install and when you do play to be paying monthly extra for the privelege.

OK, i`m going a bit extreme here, but neither did i expect to see SH5 plus EVERY UBI game going 24\7 until a month ago.

We can`t just accept this. UBI must change or go bankrupt as a lesson to other companies thinking of doing the same.

Do not buy. Please.

Iron Budokan · 02-22-10, 08:54 AM

I have no intention of buying this game given the current circumstances surrounding it. All you have to do is read other gaming forums as well to see how this new policy is being received. This is not going over well at all, even with casual gamers.

I smell death in the air for this game. Maybe it's deserved, given how it's being presented and given how Ubi is now treating customers like criminals.

Snakeeyes · 02-22-10, 08:58 AM

This totally reminds me of Thrustmaster Inc. in the late 80s and early 90s.

Small company who made quality joysticks and throttles for simmers and the real Air Force in a tiny town in Oregon.

You could call these people up with techincal problems, repairs you name it and get someone on the phone who would remember your name. They had the best customer service and responded super fast. They always put customers first and knew that without us they were nothing - (Harrison Ford in K-19).

Well, they were bought by... guess who... Ubisoft. Instantly they canned everyone and there was zero customer service. The quality of the sticks went to hell. They promised more features in their new merchandise but got shoddy assemblage. As a hard core simmer I take my hardware very seriously... like an F-16 pilot checking the weapons pylons personally before a mission. But when the hardware went to Shiznit I didn't appreciate it. "THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO FIGHT BEFORE I CAN FIGHT A WAR!" Also a K-19 quote.

I didn't need the headache so I dumped them and they lost my business. Now its 2010 and it looks like I'm going to be dumping the same company again, this time for software. What a shame.

View Poll Results: Will the new DRM affect your SH5 purchase
"Makes no difference to me"	191	15.44%
I'll cancel my pre-order & wait	148	11.96%
Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM	761	61.52%
Not going to at all now.	137	11.08%
Voters: 1237. You may not vote on this poll

02-21-10, 05:24 PM	#482
tommyk Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Near U-995 (Kiel, Germany) Posts: 337 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Very well said Mikkow! __________________ Gute Jagd und fette Beute!

02-21-10, 05:37 PM	#483
V.C. Sniper Watch Officer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	i'm just not gonna buy it at launch if it ain't finish __________________ I only need one torpedo.

02-21-10, 06:18 PM	#484
Fantasm Watch Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Pirate Cred This will probably become one of the MOST pirated games out there.... All this complaining about the DRM is moving SH5 into the Pirate's attack scope.... Every pirate out there will be trying to crack and distribute this game... They get their online "cred" for beating a new protection scheme... and distributing it as widely as possible... What may have had little interest to most pirates because of it's niche market will now become the proverbial red flag to a bull to them, they thrive on challenges like this.... The pirates will have this beaten in hours... To them, failure is not an option....

02-21-10, 06:26 PM	#485
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Probably true, but irrelevant to me. I don't play pirated games either. The ones being hurt the most are the ones who want to buy the game and play it. Offline. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-21-10, 05:15 PM	#481
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Good post Mikkow

02-21-10, 06:34 PM	#486
soldat32 Watch Join Date: May 2006 Location: Over there Posts: 17 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	They totally ripped out the ability to play a career the entire length of the war and instead have given customers the ability to roam the sub on foot.I say big deal!THat's going to be a purchase killer for a lot of fans of this genre as well as only 1 sub option.What the heck were they thinking?Do they think customers will pay for each new sub added later or something?Other then graphics there is really nothing to see here that's spectacular.I laugh at this excuse put forth that the reason they only modeled 1 sub was to dedicate their time to a more accurate simulation.That's complete hogwash.Every SH title prior to this modeled several subs and did it pretty well.Really they are down playing the truth here and that truth is that the development team was rushed and/or just plain lazy as was the case in SH3 and 4.This time around though its much worse and aside from a severe lack of playability they shove a very nasty DRM upon their customers. I hope UBI learns an important lesson here.Do not ignore or piss down your customers backs and tell them its raining.

02-22-10, 06:17 AM	#492
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,335 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Consumers Unite! When I buy a game I expect to play it, without strings attached or any buts. I won't buy this game now or any that use Steam or any other 'must' do or 'must' connect rules. I seriously doubt that Ubisoft has lost so much to piracy that it warrants handcuffing the public. __________________ Game Designer: Close The Atlantic - World War Three https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...orld-war-three

02-22-10, 08:54 AM	#494
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I have no intention of buying this game given the current circumstances surrounding it. All you have to do is read other gaming forums as well to see how this new policy is being received. This is not going over well at all, even with casual gamers. I smell death in the air for this game. Maybe it's deserved, given how it's being presented and given how Ubi is now treating customers like criminals. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-22-10, 08:58 AM	#495
Snakeeyes Captain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: trailing 1400 yards behind an Oscar-II with my outer doors open Posts: 488 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	This totally reminds me of Thrustmaster Inc. in the late 80s and early 90s. Small company who made quality joysticks and throttles for simmers and the real Air Force in a tiny town in Oregon. You could call these people up with techincal problems, repairs you name it and get someone on the phone who would remember your name. They had the best customer service and responded super fast. They always put customers first and knew that without us they were nothing - (Harrison Ford in K-19). Well, they were bought by... guess who... Ubisoft. Instantly they canned everyone and there was zero customer service. The quality of the sticks went to hell. They promised more features in their new merchandise but got shoddy assemblage. As a hard core simmer I take my hardware very seriously... like an F-16 pilot checking the weapons pylons personally before a mission. But when the hardware went to Shiznit I didn't appreciate it. "THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO FIGHT BEFORE I CAN FIGHT A WAR!" Also a K-19 quote. I didn't need the headache so I dumped them and they lost my business. Now its 2010 and it looks like I'm going to be dumping the same company again, this time for software. What a shame. __________________ -- "There's little room in Tupolev's heart for anyone but Tupolev."