The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by trenken

I expected to get attacked for trying to defend it, thats fine.

Don't misconstrue my post with an "attack." Simply knowing ones ground that they stand on can go very far in a discussion.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by trenken

What can you do? Nothing.

Bullcrap.

[GlobalExplorer]

If SH5 requires an online connection I will not get it. I also think if Ubi have made this decision they may have just given the series the kiss of death. It'd make me feel really sorry for the guys at Romania and the many fans, but it's not my fault.

I never bought a game that forces an online connection on me, and I never will. nuff said.

perhaps I'll wait until it's in the bargain bin and [..]

[karamazovnew]

Reminds me of that "Fiddler on the Roof" scene... You're all correct. Ubisoft has opted for this gimmick in the hope it will "give more support to the player" (sorry, I had to quote that, it sounds too... weird) and increase sales. If our community is of a certain importance and our threats of not buying the game stick to the end, Ubisoft will reap a sour harvest. Or not... Does anyone need a reminder on the subject of I-war and Freelancer?

[floundericiousWA]

Originally Posted by trenken

Hard for me to complain about them for trying to make a larger profit.

man oh man...trying to get you to see the point is

This has nothing to do with whether they make a larger profit. This is frustration on the part of people who sincerely want to continue buying SH games and enjoying them who are being told that paying FULL RETAIL for the game will NOT get them access to the singleplayer component of the game which is a dramatic departure for the SH series. That is, a legal or high level dev choice determines whether or not they will even have access to the game if they spend the money to buy it.

As for UBI...I hope they make a nice profit and make more by releasing expansion content...hell, this community would be JUMPING for JOY if UBI constantly released expansion packs and new content in an UBI store.

Their track record doesn't reflect their willingness to release new content (qualifier: for this game market) once they've dumped the game onto the market.

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

Their track record doesn't reflect their willingness to release new content (qualifier: for this game market) once they've dumped the game onto the market.

Please do remind me... is Ubisoft behind the respawn hell of Far Cry 2? We're doomed!

[floundericiousWA]

You got me, I have NO experience with FC2 and I'm guessing that's a good thing! Inertia win! YES!

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

You got me, I have NO experience with FC2 and I'm guessing that's a good thing! Inertia win! YES!

The game is filled with road blocks that respawn after you've moved more than 50 meters away. Also, the 5-6 imbeciles there shoot you no matter if you're doing missions for their faction or not. They can spot you from beyond hills during the night. It's the one thing that EVERYONE asked to be fixed. And they never did. A simple timer would've been enough. They didn't care. They only fixed a few multiplayer issues. Maybe becuase of the DRM the game used... That must be it. Well no more lads, from now on they'll instantly fix any bugs

[Holdit]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

When they all become online auth, I guess you won't be playing games?

Blame the pirates, they know who they are.

No, I blame the game companies for introducing systems that ensure that a pirate actually has a better playing experience than a paying customer - after all DRM doesn't bother pirates, does it? That's just logic turned on its head - and all based on the (IMO) false premise that each pirate foiled = an additional sale.

No sale. But never mind, the money willl go to a game whose distributor doesn't treat me like a crook.

Holdit

[tater]

Originally Posted by trenken

If you've got an internet connection to launch FO3, you've got one to run SH5. That's who this game is made for, which is the majority of us.

As far as the mod issue, well go play SH3 if you want that. SH5 is for other people apparently. What can you do? Nothing. Buy it or dont.

I won't play SH3, since I don't own it. I will continue to play SH4, and would even if I bought SH5 (since I won't actually play a u-boat, even if I bought SH5 to support the devs) ...

which I now won't do.

Sub sims are a niche market. Planning distribution around the twitch crowd seems to be a poor business model to me. Of course as the game heads towards twitchville content-wise, maybe it will work, it's just not for me, or the vast majority here.

Protecting content from pirates is a great idea, but this WILL be hacked, and it will increase what they mean to stop. From a purely pragmatic standpoint it's a mistake all other issues aside.

[John W. Hamm]

You know a lot of people here have expressed their opinions including yourself and we all have a right to do so, but you seem to be responding to everyone when they complain..... You almost have one post for every other member post (yes this is an exaggeration but it makes a point) I even have more than one post myself but you have me trumped in spades.....We get your point, we understand...Hell many have said that, but we don't agree! you have said your piece now allow the other to do the same unabated.

You know it's not your beliefs or the points you are trying to debate being the reason that you are a douche bag. It's your attitude towards the other people in here that makes me feel like you have earned it. Sailor Steve in particular I have always held in high regards, among others and I refuse to sit back and see you speak to them in such a arrogant and insensitive manner.

I know it is Brig time Neal I'll start heading that way no need for an escort...


Edit: Well now I just sound like i'm babbling. To no one.

[capthelm]

ok now its getting to stupid , and i do agree on this method will never run or work correct, just piss people off imo.

what happens during a server malfunction? , your own internet connection issues during play? , game stops cant continue? ..this will never win the hearts and minds to people ubi am sorry this is the most ridiculous system i have ever herd yet to date.

...have to allow offline modes...
yes i agree register for offline modes maybe once to get in and run the sim.

online should be same as sh4 register login and a password and cd key.

......both game play types should have offline continue playability , due to the event of internet issues or a ubi server overload lockup , or maintance times.

..if ubi does this they will loose many sales and risk lots of customers turning away amfraid.


i fully suppport sh5 ..but this will never work ...see the flaws in this already.

[tater]

Originally Posted by trenken

Come on, that's silly. All Im saying is give it a chance. Dont bail on it just yet, the damn game isnt even out. Wait for some reviews, see what the users think.

All you guys going nuts over this is crazy to me. I dont get it.

The forum response is 100% predictable. 100%.

It would be true in any sim forum I am on, too. All of them.

Such systems are designed to mitigate criminal behavior, but only actually impact honest customers. The pirates won't pay regardless. If the system actually works, no pirates will play the game at all. What % of them will buy the game they cannot steal? Ubi is betting that a higher number of those pirates will shell out money than honest people will bail on the title.

I think virtually none of the pirates will pay, so every loss here will directly affect total sales.

[sabretwo]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

True, there are a few people on the planet who play games in their doublewide without internet accesss, and there are occasions where internet access is not available to play, but the PC gamer is usually connected to the web 24/7.

Neal,

With all respect, that is absolutely NOT true. There are many people out there with high end systems who do not "live in double-wides", whom are not connected to the Internet when they play games. I travel a lot for business teaching seminars for a living. Most of the opportunity I get to play SH3 is when I am traveling with my laptop on the road and saying in hotels. Depending on where I am and how long I'm there, I often do not have an internet connection.

I have been giving UBI the benefit of the doubt on everything so far...taking a wait and see attitude. But any authentication system that requires an active Internet connection is a deal breaker for me. If they implement such a system, they lost my sale. I'll stick with SH3/SH4 until someone comes out with a crack or a work around. Then I'll buy it.

[theluckyone17]

After a day's worth of thinking it over, I've decided to:

Call 'em tomorrow morning, anid politely express my displeasure.

Then I'll wait.

When SH5 comes out, I'll see what the result is. Maybe SH5 will be good enough to overcome my... reservations. Maybe it won't.

If it doesn't, I'll take the time I would've spent on playing SH5 and put it into helping out on the Danger from the Deep project.

Forget "finding a new hobby". Forget embracing the DRM nonsense and succumbing to the "future". If Ubisoft doesn't want to hand me what I want, maybe I ought to be helping make what I want.