Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

One of you have on some occasion said it's not in NATO/EU's interest letting Ukraine win, but to weaken Russia military.

Now I wonder-All these billions who have been posted in the war-Don't you think the giver want something back for these money ?

Markus

The lack of a return on investment might be one reason that aid has not been as extensive as it might have been if there were. Maybe if some sort of "Lend-Lease" style program were created it might go a fair way in overcoming domestic opposition to giving Ukraine more aid.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by August

The lack of a return on investment might be one reason that aid has not been as extensive as it might have been if there were. Maybe if some sort of "Lend-Lease" style program were created it might go a fair way in overcoming domestic opposition to giving Ukraine more aid.

You mean the Ukraine Democracy Defence Lend-Lease Act of 2022 was an act of the United States Congress that facilitated the supply of material to the Ukrainian government in a manner similar to the World War II Lend-Lease Act in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ukrainian diplomats worked hard to extend the Lend-Lease program beyond September 2023, but it expired on September 30. As of October 1, 2023, the act has been terminated since the fiscal year of 2023 has been over, without any use of Lend-Lease.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dargo

You mean the Ukraine Democracy Defence Lend-Lease Act of 2022 was an act of the United States Congress that facilitated the supply of material to the Ukrainian government in a manner similar to the World War II Lend-Lease Act in response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ukrainian diplomats worked hard to extend the Lend-Lease program beyond September 2023, but it expired on September 30. As of October 1, 2023, the act has been terminated since the fiscal year of 2023 has been over, without any use of Lend-Lease.

I meant a program that would actually be used.

[Dargo]

Russian aviation related channel Fighterbomber with what looks to be another mourning message about a lost Su-34 fighter jet. Russian channels already claiming it was an F-16 that shot down the Russian fighter jet.

Originally Posted by Fighterbomber

Our Su-34 was shot down. The crew was killed. The airplane was shot down while dropping glide bombs, about 50 km from the front line. Our Su-34 was shot down, apparently by an F-16, which was over enemy-controlled territory. There will be more such losses soon. NATO has released F-16s for hunting. Now there will be less FABs flying. Consequently, the losses of our infantry will increase.

Fighterbomber generally reliable official conformation it is not, but I like the smell of panic and the thought that Russian dropping glide bombs could become too risky is always good.

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Several thousand soldiers from DPRK are undergoing training in Russia and may be sent to front in Ukraine

By the end of the year, Russia may send several thousand soldiers from the DPRK to Ukraine, who are currently undergoing training in Russia.

According to Censor.NET, the Washington Post reports this with reference to a representative of the Ukrainian military intelligence on condition of anonymity.

Moreover, some North Korean officers are already on the territory of Ukraine occupied by Russia to observe Russian forces and study the situation on the battlefield. However, the Ukrainian military has not yet encountered a single North Korean unit that has taken part in combat operations.

The source also said that it is not yet known where exactly on the Ukrainian front the DPRK military units currently undergoing training in Russia could be deployed. One possibility is that they could be used in the Russian border regions to free up Russian troops to take part in the fighting in Ukraine.

"This could have a significant impact. Especially if we are talking about releasing reserves on the territory of the Russian Federation itself," said the Ukrainian intelligence official.

According to experts, North Korea can provide Russia not only with artillery shells but also with more advanced weapons, such as armoured vehicles, missiles, and multiple-launch rocket systems.

Foreign intervention by North Korea is rare, but in the past, they have sent military personnel to help with weapons and technology. For example, in 2016, North Korean missile technology was used in Syria.

In early October, South Korean Defence Minister Kim Yong-hyun said that the DPRK could send its military to the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine in support of Russia's war against our country. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3514522

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[mapuc]

If it doesn't happens within the next 1-2 years from now-It will not happen. The economical collapse of the Russian economy.

NK soldiers fighting in Ukraine, would this mean that North Korea is taking active part in the war ?



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Don't know how reliable these numbers are which say that Russia have lost 600.000 men in Ukraine and I would like to know the number of Ukrainian KIA and WIA in the war.
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Markus

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Originally Posted by mapuc

NK soldiers fighting in Ukraine, would this mean that North Korea is taking active part in the war ?

Markus

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Thursday dismissed claims of Pyongyang sending military forces to fight in Ukraine as a "hoax" but quite frankly I don't believe him.

On Tuesday, the North Korean leader sent a birthday message to President Putin, calling him his "closest comrade".

Can you imagine that....next they'll be exchanging Xmas cards.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Don't know how reliable these numbers are which say that Russia have lost 600.000 men in Ukraine and I would like to know the number of Ukrainian KIA and WIA in the war.

Markus

Russia lost extreme numbers for fairly tiny tactical gains that stand in the shadow of their strategical goals. Ukraine has not got the mass so they can not afford to be so stupid, therefore do not lose that extreme numbers of men and equipment. Ukraine active defence is set up to prevent losing that kinda numbers, it still has large numbers of equipment it got by the West. Russia nearing the bottom of their stocks and age of troops are very high. Time is on Ukraine, if they can keep this up next year and attrit Russia further in this extreme way than soviet deep defence will win them this war or give them a stronger position at the table.

Russia's drive in one battlefront has cost it a staggering 1,800 combat vehicles

Russian forces have reportedly lost nearly 2,000 armored vehicles, tanks, and heavy equipment since launching its offensive in eastern Ukraine last October, an open-source researcher found. In February, Russia seized the town of Avdiivka, a longtime Ukrainian stronghold, after a monthslong campaign that contributed to "some of the highest Russian casualty rates of the war so far," according to British military intelligence. Moscow's losses — both in equipment and personnel — only continued to grow as it advanced in the western Donetsk region, an onslaught against Ukraine's defended positions that contributed to the heavy toll in September; a US official recently said that month saw the highest Russian casualties in the entire war.

In early October, two key Ukrainian frontline towns, Vuhledar and Hrodivka, fell to Russia during its advance toward Pokrovsk, a strategic city serving as a road and rail hub to supply Ukrainian military outposts. Despite the heavy equipment losses, Russian forces have yet to make concrete tactical gains in the region, only advancing about 25 miles toward the key Ukrainian city. A new report by the Institute for the Study of War said the losses amount to at least five divisions' worth of combat vehicles, citing an open-source X account tracking visually confirmed Russian vehicle and equipment losses... https://archive.ph/Wea59#selection-1993.0-2041.66

[mapuc]

Maybe it's a small step, it is however a step in the correct direction



Markus

[mapuc]

In the cyberspace WWIII started month ago



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