The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by August

Unfortunately socialism, once it becomes entrenched, is extraordinarily difficult to get rid of.

And the cost immense.

[Thomen]

A little piece from Newbusters regarding the HC Bill, postes roughly an hour ago:

Here

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Think of this people the way things are right now in health care in the United States in the way of "general care doctors" i.e. doctors who do checkups,give shots, fix you up after you brake a bone is much less per person now than it has been. There are more doctors who now work as specialists i.e. doctors who do heart transplants,ect,ect, and it all about how much doctors get paid. Doctors care more about how much money they get paid per operation then they do about the well-being of their patients. Personally I find this outrageous. Canada's health care is failing because doctors from there are coming here to become specialists because of the money. And if you want to here about someone getting shafted by the system it happend to my own mother!!!! She worked at Group Health and she became ill to the point that she had to go to the hospital for three weeks and during that time she was fired by Group Health and they did it with giving notice, which is illegal to do in the United States. So then my mother had no insurance so myself and my father had to pay for the time that my mother to stay in the hospital and we didn't have insurance eather. So my own mother who worked for Group Health for four years gets illegally fired and then is left without health insurance, and it was Group Healths fault that she got sick because of mold that was in the roof tiles and Group Health never bothered to fix it and never to this day gave a reason to my mother why she was fired. I call that a good reason to hate the way health care is run in this country. Of course I not tiring to change anyone opinion about this matter, I'm stating the facts as they are. Also its not up to the citizens of America if the health care plan gets passed, thats up to congress. So if it does pass what will all of you naysayers do then? You would more than likely sit there and wine and complane, take it as is(not!!), or back your bags, leave the country and find a nation that still doesn't have a national health care plan.

[Carotio]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Also its not up to the citizens of America if the health care plan gets passed, thats up to congress.

AFAIK, the democrate party have the majority in both chambers now, right? So the odds of this plan not getting realized is very tiny, I suppose....

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Tits not up to the citizens of America if the health care plan gets passed, thats up to congress.

whoa

hold it



wrong.

we the people elect these officials to represent our interests politically. When 76% of the nation opposes the bill, many in congress will receive letters, e mails and phone calls and occasionally personal visits which will indicate this opposition on a large scale.

realizing that the fastest way to shorten your political career is to piss off the voters who put you in office - congress usually goes with the people on these issues.

like i have said.

pass this thing - and congress will successfully piss off 3 out of 4 Americans.

[AVGWarhawk]

Simple solution:

1. Have the government build clinics or facelift existing building (shovel ready stimulus) These clinics are for the uninsured or those on the Government Healthcare Plan.

2. Leave me the hell out of it physically and financially.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Simple solution:

1. Have the government build clinics or facelift existing building (shovel ready stimulus) These clinics are for the uninsured or those on the Government Healthcare Plan.

2. Leave me the hell out of it physically and financially.

I could go for that.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Simple solution:

1. Have the government build clinics or facelift existing building (shovel ready stimulus) These clinics are for the uninsured or those on the Government Healthcare Plan.

2. Leave me the hell out of it physically and financially.

Your first solution is makes the second impossible. If government builds it you and I will be paying for it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Your first solution is makes the second impossible. If government builds it you and I will be paying for it.

Nope, the people who want the government healthcare plan can pay for it through premiums. Just like you and I pay for doctors and hospitals with our premiums. They can have their own government run clinic now. Just as I choice hospitals and doctors they are free to do the same with the government run facilities.

[Tchocky]

That's really inefficient.

Why have duplication of hospitals, doctors, nurses, and equipment on grounds of insurance?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

That's really inefficient.

Why have duplication of hospitals, doctors, nurses, and equipment on grounds of insurance?

Nope, stimulus. Shovel ready. More jobs for dr, nurses and administrative. All in the name of stimulus. Besides, do you think the current standing clinics and hospitals can handle more people? Hell no.

[GoldenRivet]

not really a duplication... just do this...

1. in every town of 40,000 residents or more, place a government clinic.

2. if the population of the town warrants more government clinics, place more.

3. I will continue to pay my normal premiums to my insurance company, and i will go to the top notch, well maintained, clean facility im used to going to and receive the same high quality of care im used to from stubbed toe to pancreatic cancer and every ailment in between.

4. government insurance card holders can pay their bottom dollar premium to the federal government and visit one of these clinics for health care.

5. in the case of traumatic emergency, immediate life threatening emergency, or serious injury - private hospitals can accept the government policy holders.

6. for reasons of common illness, vaccinations, physicals, check ups, blood work, broken bones, long term cancer care, etc etc the government clinics can be used.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

3. I will continue to pay my normal premiums to my insurance company, and i will go to the top notch, well maintained, clean facility im used to going to and receive the same high quality of care im used to from stubbed toe to pancreatic cancer and every ailment in between.

And then, faced with the prospect of you actually making use of your coverage, the insurance company drops you with some flimsy excuse, leaving you stuck with the bill.

You think you have insurance. 70% of the people who declared bankruptcy due to medical bills had insurance at the time:

http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_s...uptcy-2009.pdf

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And then, faced with the prospect of you actually making use of your coverage, the insurance company drops you with some flimsy excuse, leaving you stuck with the bill.

You think you have insurance. 70% of the people who declared bankruptcy due to medical bills had insurance at the time:

http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_s...uptcy-2009.pdf

Does not mean that you will still avoid bankruptcy under this Obama plan either now does it? Mookie, what color are the lenses in your glasses?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Does not mean that you will still avoid bankruptcy under this Obama plan either now does it? Mookie, what color are the lenses in your glasses?

I have never ever claimed that this plan was the best plan, or that I even like this plan.