Do you guys practice drills on patrol - Page 3

07-14-06, 12:24 AM

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VonHelsching · 07-14-06, 12:59 AM

Magua,

You need to understand that you are running a computer game on your PC. There are no "fractions of people". Playing a computer game is a personal experience viewed and enjoyed differently by everyone. SH3 tries to accommodate a broad range of features for everyone, so it's both a simulation, a shoot'em up and a fanatasy game / secret weapons of the Kriegsmarine (remember, you can do war patrols with an XXI and a VIIC/42!).

Dividing people for their personal prefferences for a computer game serve no useful purpose than trying to identify oneself in a superior / elite category. I can understand that for politics / economics or philosophy principles. But for a computer game, no.

07-14-06, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VonHelsching

Magua,

You need to understand that you are running a computer game on your PC. There are no "fractions of people". Playing a computer game is a personal experience viewed and enjoyed differently by everyone. SH3 tries to accommodate a broad range of features for everyone, so it's both a simulation, a shoot'em up and a fanatasy game / secret weapons of the Kriegsmarine (remember, you can do war patrols with an XXI and a VIIC/42!).

Dividing people for their personal prefferences for a computer game serve no useful purpose than trying to identify oneself in a superior / elite category. I can understand that for politics / economics or philosophy principles. But for a computer game, no.

There was no dividing into factions on my account. It happened automatically as people placed their posts. Go back and read it. You have those that do and those that don't do the drills.
All i did was make a comment about what was already obvious.

Ducimus · 07-14-06, 01:06 AM

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yeah im sure Baiting (what ive noticed youve been doing in 2 threads different threads now) is probably in there. Stop instigating.

07-14-06, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Magua

You need to review the SUBSIM Forum Acceptable Use Policy

yeah im sure Baiting (what ive noticed youve been doing in 2 threads different threads now) is probably in there. Stop instigating.

Sorry, but you lost me on that one.

Say Again, Over

Harmsway! · 07-14-06, 06:29 AM

FARB? ...FARB..what? Oh rats :hmm: I best go google it. Oh here we go FARB - Federation of Associations of Regulatory Boards

You boys have got to lighten up. You're getting stir up over...wait...here we go..Weird Words: Farb...ahh that's got to be it...what was I saying. O'yeah back to it boys

JScones · 07-14-06, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Magua

In the Reenacting/Living History World we would call you a FARB.

In the *real* world, which is where most people live, we would call you something just as dismissive, if not moreso.

Lighten up fella. Stop criticising everyone else for not playing the game your way. You've done this in a few threads now.

Just enjoy the game your way, and let others enjoy it their way. They don't need you to force feed facts and figures down their throats and highlight their every non-conformance with history.

And if you're not happy with some element of the game, like ship contacts, there is nothing stopping you from modding it yourself, rather than whining about it and having a go at the people who mod the game FOR FREE for people LIKE YOU.

And BTW, yes, I do test dives and follow historical procedures as per the U-boat Commander's Handbook and other references I happen to have read.

Pants · 07-14-06, 07:49 AM

@ Magua
There is a fine line between Realism and playablity....there is a broad spectrum of players out there ranging from the hardcore realism guys to the arcade player. It's hard for modders to get the balance just right so we dont alienate a group of players. If you dont like the road we are going down ( trying to Please a larger part of the community ) No one is forcing you at gun point to download GW and play it.

joea · 07-14-06, 08:42 AM

Magua, you need to learn some manners.

mheil · 07-14-06, 10:10 AM

I think that some of us forget that we are PLAYING a game - even though we call it a sim. We all enjoy playing this game at different levels. some of us like making subs fly through the air and some enjoy following history as close as possible. Most fit someplace in between and even change the level of realism. Its all in fun and enjoyment. I like playing and checking out the forum, not only am I having fun but feel that I am learning about history.

NeonSamurai · 07-14-06, 10:22 AM

One can always do ones own modding, the version of sh3 i run is heavily custom modded for my personal use.

Anyhow guys lets stick to the topic and keep the flames down

As for myself i often do drills to add to my own sense of immersion. typicaly a shallow dive, then a crash dive followed by going deep to make sure everythings screwed on tight. Then ill typicaly blow tanks to make sure its working right, and usualy end off with deck and flak drills. Ill also check fuel consumption and see how she handles, and i dont run SH3 commander with (or without) the sabotage thing.

I like doing it as it enhances my gameplay experience.

fredbass · 07-14-06, 10:39 AM

I also do one Deep Dive near the beginning of every patrol, though I haven't did it as a Crash dive. I guess I'm hoping crew could find some loose rivets, so to speak.

gouldjg · 07-14-06, 10:48 AM

On a personal note, I always wanted to find a way so that by crash diving in game and doing these drill would in fact have benefits i.e. better staminer for crew or better morale.

At one point I was pondering on the idea that fatigue could be gradually lowered on surface operations and upped on dives.

This meant that my men would be losing their battle readiness on surface when staying there too long and then they will gain readiness once they crashed dive drilled and underwent dive operations etc.

Never did finnish it

Anyway every now and again I must admit that I do some pre operation drills but I can also understand why others do not bother.

I am sure that with Hemisents new mod, this is a essential thing to do.

07-14-06, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Magua

It seems we have two factions of players: Those who like Historical Realism vs Those Who Just want to Play a Game.

Give the man a big cigar-He gets it!

Thanks! I'll take one!

Darksun · 07-14-06, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

And BTW, yes, I do test dives and follow historical procedures as per the U-boat Commander's Handbook and other references I happen to have read.

Oh, got to get me one of those. Does Subsim have an amazon affiliate link for books like this?

-D

07-14-06, 12:59 AM	#32
VonHelsching Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,025 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Magua, You need to understand that you are running a computer game on your PC. There are no "fractions of people". Playing a computer game is a personal experience viewed and enjoyed differently by everyone. SH3 tries to accommodate a broad range of features for everyone, so it's both a simulation, a shoot'em up and a fanatasy game / secret weapons of the Kriegsmarine (remember, you can do war patrols with an XXI and a VIIC/42!). Dividing people for their personal prefferences for a computer game serve no useful purpose than trying to identify oneself in a superior / elite category. I can understand that for politics / economics or philosophy principles. But for a computer game, no. __________________

07-14-06, 07:49 AM	#38
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	@ Magua There is a fine line between Realism and playablity....there is a broad spectrum of players out there ranging from the hardcore realism guys to the arcade player. It's hard for modders to get the balance just right so we dont alienate a group of players. If you dont like the road we are going down ( trying to Please a larger part of the community ) No one is forcing you at gun point to download GW and play it. __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

07-14-06, 10:22 AM	#41
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	One can always do ones own modding, the version of sh3 i run is heavily custom modded for my personal use. Anyhow guys lets stick to the topic and keep the flames down As for myself i often do drills to add to my own sense of immersion. typicaly a shallow dive, then a crash dive followed by going deep to make sure everythings screwed on tight. Then ill typicaly blow tanks to make sure its working right, and usualy end off with deck and flak drills. Ill also check fuel consumption and see how she handles, and i dont run SH3 commander with (or without) the sabotage thing. I like doing it as it enhances my gameplay experience. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

07-14-06, 10:48 AM	#43
gouldjg Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 881 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	On a personal note, I always wanted to find a way so that by crash diving in game and doing these drill would in fact have benefits i.e. better staminer for crew or better morale. At one point I was pondering on the idea that fatigue could be gradually lowered on surface operations and upped on dives. This meant that my men would be losing their battle readiness on surface when staying there too long and then they will gain readiness once they crashed dive drilled and underwent dive operations etc. Never did finnish it Anyway every now and again I must admit that I do some pre operation drills but I can also understand why others do not bother. I am sure that with Hemisents new mod, this is a essential thing to do. __________________ My Mods Gouldjg's Crew Ability Balancing Mod for SH5 1.2 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=169630

07-14-06, 12:24 AM	#31
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07-14-06, 06:29 AM	#36
Harmsway! XO Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 400 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	FARB? ...FARB..what? Oh rats :hmm: I best go google it. Oh here we go FARB - Federation of Associations of Regulatory Boards You boys have got to lighten up. You're getting stir up over...wait...here we go..Weird Words: Farb...ahh that's got to be it...what was I saying. O'yeah back to it boys

07-14-06, 08:42 AM	#39
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Magua, you need to learn some manners.

07-14-06, 10:10 AM	#40
mheil Loader Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 81 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	I think that some of us forget that we are PLAYING a game - even though we call it a sim. We all enjoy playing this game at different levels. some of us like making subs fly through the air and some enjoy following history as close as possible. Most fit someplace in between and even change the level of realism. Its all in fun and enjoyment. I like playing and checking out the forum, not only am I having fun but feel that I am learning about history.

07-14-06, 10:39 AM	#42
fredbass Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Port Richey, Fl, USA Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I also do one Deep Dive near the beginning of every patrol, though I haven't did it as a Crash dive. I guess I'm hoping crew could find some loose rivets, so to speak.