NEW UNIT: Flottenbegleiter, new version!! - Page 3

Marhkimov · 10-04-05, 11:59 PM

While modding my own torpedo skins, the MOST important lesson that I learned, from a modding standpoint, is...

Now listen up all you modders out there; this is VERY important.

...Don't rush to release a mod, no matter if everyone is pesterring you for it. Do a good job. Then look it over. Then after that, look it over again... Play test your own stuff, over and over and over... That way, by tomorrow, you won't have to release v5.7. If you're truly not done, don't release...

Okay, rant over.. sorry for the off-topic-ness...

Commander1980 · 10-05-05, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie901

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Originally Posted by Sansal

But you can import the same first funel. Are there other problem?

Cheers,

Yes, so we might get the second funnel after all?

I will try this the next days, currently i have a lot of other things to do.

I will also add that aft crane. If all works properly, it is an easy task, so stay tuned

ApolloFS · 10-05-05, 04:10 AM

It would be very cool if modellers got together and compiled a list of 3D models to be produced for import-a la IL-2...

Me want more juicy targets!!!

Marhkimov · 10-05-05, 06:14 PM

Here's a suggestion. Make it so that the Flottenbegleiter supports multiple random skins, much like most of the merchants in SH3. If you don't know how, maybe you could ask Sergbuto for some help. I would help, but I don't know how to edit that, as it has something to do with the .DAT files...

Or better yet, ask Sergbuto why he doesn't make ALL of our ships support multiple random skins?? :hmm:

Commander1980 · 10-06-05, 04:20 AM

i already thought of different skins and i also thought of two Flottenbegleiter with different skins, armament and so on...

In history, some of the Flottenbegleiter were reduced to secondary roles like harbour security and supply duties.
What do you think about one ship for fighting roles with the already given armament and a seond ship with reduced armament for "other" duties? I can also implement different objects like other cranes and /or masts....

At the moment i have problems with pack3d and java on my computer. Don't know why...

Commander1980 · 10-07-05, 05:15 AM

OKay here is the Flottenbegleiter with that crane and a better 2nd funnel. Unfortunately, the importing does not work properly, but i think i will get this working the next days.

Charlie901 · 10-07-05, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Commander1980

OKay here is the Flottenbegleiter with that crane and a better 2nd funnel. Unfortunately, the importing does not work properly, but i think i will get this working the next days.

Looks great

Good Luck

10-07-05, 10:03 AM

Commander1980

Question - That SS. Is that how wings 3d looks normaly or is it due to you enlarging the SS. If its the later fine, but if its the former, holy crap thats bad!!. Its so blury I'd get a headache in very short order using wings3d thats for sure.

Good luck on ur import.

Commander1980 · 10-07-05, 10:23 AM

It is just the opel-gl-rendered look of the model and slightly enlarged

This is the Inside-wings3d look:

10-07-05, 10:48 AM

Damn!! And here I thought Milkshape was bad. How the hell can u use such a limited 3D program ?????

Makes me glad I use Max

Commander1980 · 10-07-05, 11:18 AM

it is easy to understand and it's for free

oRGy · 10-07-05, 12:34 PM

Hey Commander1980;

I'm including this in IuB for future use if you don't mind? A plan for IuB is for it to become a 'base' for well tested expansions, and so all new units that meet the quality standard would be available, with a good SCR by Rubini and others to include them.

Anyway, my advice is to have only one Flottenbegleiter - you might want to upgrade its aa armament as the war goes on though. This just makes it easier for modders to use. Cover all the main types of ships first.. Another good German ship waiting to be made would be those floating AA platforms, if you can find an appropriate hull.

Cheers
oRGy

lurbz · 10-07-05, 01:09 PM

I have to chime in here about Wings3D. The interface is deceivingly simple, but it is truly an extremely powerful and intuitive poly modeller.

It doesn't do rendering, and texture mapping is somewhat limited, but enough for game models IMHO. But bear in mind many proffesional 3D artists with access to excellent tools choose to model in Wings3D, then export somewhere to finish and render their stuff.

It's worth a look, try it (a free and very small download) and check a few tutorials.

Commander1980 · 10-07-05, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by oRGy

Hey Commander1980;

I'm including this in IuB for future use if you don't mind? A plan for IuB is for it to become a 'base' for well tested expansions, and so all new units that meet the quality standard would be available, with a good SCR by Rubini and others to include them.

Cheers
oRGy

i don't mind it, use it

Give me some days, and i will complete the new model

A floating aa-platform, or better a "Vorpostenboot" is also one of my projects. I think i will use a modified tug boat.
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmari...oot/index.html

oRGy · 10-07-05, 01:16 PM

Cool.

Oh; forgot to mention - Blender3d is an open-source 3d modeler that is somewhat respected (but its interface takes getting used to.)

Vorpostenboot sounds great.

Eventually getting the full roster of naval ships in the game for everything would not only be extremely immersive but also be a valuable pedagogical tool. My main concern though is that any new (custom modelled) units would be visually consistent with the current "SH3 Look" as well as historically accurate.

10-04-05, 11:59 PM	#1
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	While modding my own torpedo skins, the MOST important lesson that I learned, from a modding standpoint, is... Now listen up all you modders out there; this is VERY important. ...Don't rush to release a mod, no matter if everyone is pesterring you for it. Do a good job. Then look it over. Then after that, look it over again... Play test your own stuff, over and over and over... That way, by tomorrow, you won't have to release v5.7. If you're truly not done, don't release... Okay, rant over.. sorry for the off-topic-ness... __________________ It takes two to tango

10-05-05, 06:14 PM	#4
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's a suggestion. Make it so that the Flottenbegleiter supports multiple random skins, much like most of the merchants in SH3. If you don't know how, maybe you could ask Sergbuto for some help. I would help, but I don't know how to edit that, as it has something to do with the .DAT files... Or better yet, ask Sergbuto why he doesn't make ALL of our ships support multiple random skins?? :hmm: __________________ It takes two to tango

10-06-05, 04:20 AM	#5
Commander1980 Engineer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 218 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	i already thought of different skins and i also thought of two Flottenbegleiter with different skins, armament and so on... In history, some of the Flottenbegleiter were reduced to secondary roles like harbour security and supply duties. What do you think about one ship for fighting roles with the already given armament and a seond ship with reduced armament for "other" duties? I can also implement different objects like other cranes and /or masts.... At the moment i have problems with pack3d and java on my computer. Don't know why... __________________ New Unit \"Flottenbegleiter\" List of all available equipment and weapons in SH3

10-07-05, 05:15 AM	#6
Commander1980 Engineer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 218 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	OKay here is the Flottenbegleiter with that crane and a better 2nd funnel. Unfortunately, the importing does not work properly, but i think i will get this working the next days. __________________ New Unit \"Flottenbegleiter\" List of all available equipment and weapons in SH3

10-07-05, 10:23 AM	#9
Commander1980 Engineer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 218 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	It is just the opel-gl-rendered look of the model and slightly enlarged This is the Inside-wings3d look: __________________ New Unit \"Flottenbegleiter\" List of all available equipment and weapons in SH3

10-05-05, 04:10 AM	#3
ApolloFS Watch Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It would be very cool if modellers got together and compiled a list of 3D models to be produced for import-a la IL-2... Me want more juicy targets!!!

10-07-05, 10:03 AM	#8
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Commander1980 Question - That SS. Is that how wings 3d looks normaly or is it due to you enlarging the SS. If its the later fine, but if its the former, holy crap thats bad!!. Its so blury I'd get a headache in very short order using wings3d thats for sure. Good luck on ur import.

10-07-05, 10:48 AM	#10
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Damn!! And here I thought Milkshape was bad. How the hell can u use such a limited 3D program ????? Makes me glad I use Max

10-07-05, 11:18 AM	#11
Commander1980 Engineer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 218 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	it is easy to understand and it's for free __________________ New Unit \"Flottenbegleiter\" List of all available equipment and weapons in SH3

10-07-05, 12:34 PM	#12
oRGy Crusty Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 648 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Hey Commander1980; I'm including this in IuB for future use if you don't mind? A plan for IuB is for it to become a 'base' for well tested expansions, and so all new units that meet the quality standard would be available, with a good SCR by Rubini and others to include them. Anyway, my advice is to have only one Flottenbegleiter - you might want to upgrade its aa armament as the war goes on though. This just makes it easier for modders to use. Cover all the main types of ships first.. Another good German ship waiting to be made would be those floating AA platforms, if you can find an appropriate hull. Cheers oRGy

10-07-05, 01:09 PM	#13
lurbz Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have to chime in here about Wings3D. The interface is deceivingly simple, but it is truly an extremely powerful and intuitive poly modeller. It doesn't do rendering, and texture mapping is somewhat limited, but enough for game models IMHO. But bear in mind many proffesional 3D artists with access to excellent tools choose to model in Wings3D, then export somewhere to finish and render their stuff. It's worth a look, try it (a free and very small download) and check a few tutorials.

10-07-05, 01:16 PM	#15
oRGy Crusty Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 648 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Cool. Oh; forgot to mention - Blender3d is an open-source 3d modeler that is somewhat respected (but its interface takes getting used to.) Vorpostenboot sounds great. Eventually getting the full roster of naval ships in the game for everything would not only be extremely immersive but also be a valuable pedagogical tool. My main concern though is that any new (custom modelled) units would be visually consistent with the current "SH3 Look" as well as historically accurate.