New Alan Turing Film - Page 3

vienna · 01-10-15, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Wow. I may actually have to go see this one in the theater.

I went to the theater to see "The Imitation Game" about a week after it was released here in the US. I really dislike going to the movie theaters, but I was very curious to see the film. I can say it was well worth the effort. Well done and faithful to the history, even with artistic license...

Otto Harkaman · 01-11-15, 09:55 AM

Finally watched the movie last night. It was OK, pretty complex subject for a movie. Its almost a dramatization of all Bletchley Park and attributing everything to Turing which wasn't true. I liked it because I've been reading so much about B.P. and Enigma but it might be pretty confusing to someone who doesn't know what the movie is suppose to be about.

Tchocky · 01-11-15, 10:26 AM

Saw this the other night. Excellent film.

There's enough license taken to make the Bletchley elements more comprehensible/entertaining, but not so much that someone familiar with the story would find it jarring, a good balance.

Benesplonk Humperditch very good as usual.

Cybermat47 · 01-11-15, 05:51 PM

Saw this movie yesterday. It's brilliant, and I highly recommend it.

Cybermat47 · 01-11-15, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I liked it because I've been reading so much about B.P. and Enigma but it might be pretty confusing to someone who doesn't know what the movie is suppose to be about.

I only know the basics behind B.P., and I still found it pretty easy to follow

Bilge_Rat · 01-12-15, 03:30 PM

On the Bismarck hunt, Blair's U-Boat history "the Hunters" and "the Hunted" as a lot of info on code creaking.

first, Naval Enigma was supposed to be the strongest of all the German codes.

They did not break Naval Enigma in 39-40, part of the reason for the "Happy Days" slaughter in late 40.

The British were only able to break Naval Enigma intermittently in 1941 and only after they captured key Enigma parts from U-110 on may 9, 1941. Therefore doubtful Enigma was much use in tracking Bismarck two weeks after the capture of U-110.

The Germans changed Naval Enigma in early 42 and the British were not able to re-break it until aug. 42. They were then able to read Naval Enigma from that point until 45.

Otto Harkaman · 01-12-15, 04:06 PM

Yes it mainly seems to have been done with wireless D/F. But some Luftwaffe signals seem to have been important, if only for confirmation. Beesly in his book states none of the messages were decoded in time to have had an effect on operations.

From wiki
British code-breakers were able to decrypt some of the German signals, including an order to the Luftwaffe to provide support for Bismarck making for Brest, and the French Resistance provided the British with confirmation that Luftwaffe units were relocating there.

There was also the message to a high ranking Luftwaffe officer in Greece that I mentioned above.

Interesting reading there I hadn't known this, from wiki
Prinz Eugen 's radio-intercept team decrypted the radio signals being sent by Suffolk and learned that their location had been reported.

Interesting when you think of the timeline of some events, a lot happened that summer.

U-110 Captured, 9 May 1941, sunk the following day
Bismarck Scuttled following incapacitating battle damage, 27 May 1941 in the North Atlantic.
Weathership Lauenburg Sunk 28 June 1941

Thanks! Have to track down those books by Blair

Bilge_Rat · 01-12-15, 04:35 PM

As I recall the Luftwaffe code, I think it was called "Red One" was less secure then the others and was read fairly consistently by the British during the war, although as I recall from Blair (it has been a few years since I read it) this had more to do with lax procedures on the part of Luftwaffe operators than a problem with their Enigma machine. Breaking the Luftwaffe code was a major break since it gave the British insights in what to look for in breaking the other German codes.

The Germans were also able to frequently break most British naval codes and to decipher a lot of stuff in 39-42.

The big difference is that the British knew their codes were vulnerable and were always changing them and tightening their security procedures while the Germans were convinced that Enigma was unbreakable, which turned out to be their weak point.

01-11-15, 09:55 AM	#32
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,176 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Finally watched the movie last night. It was OK, pretty complex subject for a movie. Its almost a dramatization of all Bletchley Park and attributing everything to Turing which wasn't true. I liked it because I've been reading so much about B.P. and Enigma but it might be pretty confusing to someone who doesn't know what the movie is suppose to be about. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

01-11-15, 10:26 AM	#33
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Saw this the other night. Excellent film. There's enough license taken to make the Bletchley elements more comprehensible/entertaining, but not so much that someone familiar with the story would find it jarring, a good balance. Benesplonk Humperditch very good as usual. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

01-11-15, 05:51 PM	#34
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,408 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 23	Saw this movie yesterday. It's brilliant, and I highly recommend it. __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

01-12-15, 03:30 PM	#36
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	On the Bismarck hunt, Blair's U-Boat history "the Hunters" and "the Hunted" as a lot of info on code creaking. first, Naval Enigma was supposed to be the strongest of all the German codes. They did not break Naval Enigma in 39-40, part of the reason for the "Happy Days" slaughter in late 40. The British were only able to break Naval Enigma intermittently in 1941 and only after they captured key Enigma parts from U-110 on may 9, 1941. Therefore doubtful Enigma was much use in tracking Bismarck two weeks after the capture of U-110. The Germans changed Naval Enigma in early 42 and the British were not able to re-break it until aug. 42. They were then able to read Naval Enigma from that point until 45. __________________

01-12-15, 04:06 PM	#37
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,176 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Yes it mainly seems to have been done with wireless D/F. But some Luftwaffe signals seem to have been important, if only for confirmation. Beesly in his book states none of the messages were decoded in time to have had an effect on operations. From wiki British code-breakers were able to decrypt some of the German signals, including an order to the Luftwaffe to provide support for Bismarck making for Brest, and the French Resistance provided the British with confirmation that Luftwaffe units were relocating there. There was also the message to a high ranking Luftwaffe officer in Greece that I mentioned above. Interesting reading there I hadn't known this, from wiki Prinz Eugen 's radio-intercept team decrypted the radio signals being sent by Suffolk and learned that their location had been reported. Interesting when you think of the timeline of some events, a lot happened that summer. U-110 Captured, 9 May 1941, sunk the following day Bismarck Scuttled following incapacitating battle damage, 27 May 1941 in the North Atlantic. Weathership Lauenburg Sunk 28 June 1941 Thanks! Have to track down those books by Blair __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 01-12-15 at 04:32 PM.

01-12-15, 04:35 PM	#38
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	As I recall the Luftwaffe code, I think it was called "Red One" was less secure then the others and was read fairly consistently by the British during the war, although as I recall from Blair (it has been a few years since I read it) this had more to do with lax procedures on the part of Luftwaffe operators than a problem with their Enigma machine. Breaking the Luftwaffe code was a major break since it gave the British insights in what to look for in breaking the other German codes. The Germans were also able to frequently break most British naval codes and to decipher a lot of stuff in 39-42. The big difference is that the British knew their codes were vulnerable and were always changing them and tightening their security procedures while the Germans were convinced that Enigma was unbreakable, which turned out to be their weak point. __________________