An interesting development

Stealhead · 11-26-13, 02:11 PM

A message has been conveyed so to speak.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-flies-b-52-...172803843.html

Ducimus · 11-26-13, 02:16 PM

Yeah I saw mention of that on the BBC earlier today and thought it an interesting development.

Sailor Steve · 11-26-13, 02:17 PM

Nothing for China to worry about. Those old grannies couldn't hurt a fly.

Jimbuna · 11-26-13, 02:32 PM

Well it certainly made front page on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25110011

Red October1984 · 11-26-13, 07:59 PM

Interesting, yes...

I don't think there'll be a war coming out of this. Our govt is too busy sitting on its hands.

Stealhead · 11-26-13, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Interesting, yes...

I don't think there'll be a war coming out of this. Our govt is too busy sitting on its hands.

The fact that two B-52s made that little show of force kind of proves that they are not sitting on their hands.If that where the case this thread would not be in existence.

Will China or Japan or the other Asian nations go to war over this? I highly doubt it.What China is doing is flexing its military muscles to see how other nations react to it.They just got a message today.

More than likely China will raise issue over this area and others over the next few years again to test the reaction.China is still at best about 20 years away from equalizing the technology gap between its military power and that of the United Sates.Until they feel confident of that they have a viable chance at victory should a conflict occur they will not make a real move.

They still have Taiwan(Republic of China) to "repatriate" as well and that will be their big move though they might try taking some smaller claim first.

Skybird · 11-27-13, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

Interesting, yes...

I don't think there'll be a war coming out of this. Our govt is too busy sitting on its hands.

Some people compare the situation to a "Balkanization" of the region, meaning to compare it to the circumstances that in 1914 led to a world war that nobody wanted, but everybody stumbled into in sort of a sleepwalk. That both in China and Japan a strengthening in nationalism accompanied latest political changes, has added to the rise in tensions. The US must be concerned about the very realistic chance of being drawn into a huge regional war due to their ally Japan spilling fuel into the fire. On the other side is China with clear ambitions and claims that it cannot give up if it wants to become the big power it wants to be. If Japan, SouthKorea and Taiwan however will get the Chinese away with it and accept the disputed sea region to become territorial water of China, then not only means this a loss of resources believed to be in the sea region, but a signal of accepting Chinese blackmailing and imperial dominance, putting the sovereignity of other nations into questions.

The only possible compromise is a dirty one, and that is the international cooperation in winning those resources. How that could be achieved I have no clue, and beyond that I see no chance that this conflict loiters on endlessly without sooner or later breaking out openly.

It's one of these global hotspots where danger is maximum. And no, it is not about just two rocks in the sea with a flock of goats on them.

THE_MASK · 11-27-13, 06:17 PM

Shouldn't japan put a flag on one of the islands . Then china can try to spam it with multiple aircraft etc .

TarJak · 11-27-13, 08:25 PM

Our mob called the Chinese ambassador in for a stern chat voicing our concerns about their expanded air space and today got a firm sod off from Beijing

TarJak · 11-27-13, 10:37 PM

That's diplomacy for you. It's all about the talking to stop the doing.

Wolferz · 11-28-13, 06:32 AM

The B-52's were just the decoys. China didn't, couldn't see the stealth bombers flying over Beijing.

TarJak · 11-28-13, 03:00 PM

Maybe in a few years when Taiwan looks like being secured.

Skybird · 11-29-13, 10:46 AM

Chinese interceptors scrambled to identify 2 US surveillance and 10 Japanese EW and fighter aircraft.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25155605

Local civilian airlines comply with the Chinese demands. Which definitely is the wrong signal, I think, it sets a precedence for accepting territorial claims that the Chinese in the future can fall back to by saying: "But if you disagree with our claims, why have you accepted our rules in the past?" The correct answer would have been to either ignore the Chinese demand and have an international cooperation that secures protection of civilian flights in the Chinese zone of aggression by Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Taiwanese and American fighters, or to fly around the area - and ban all Chinese carriers to fly to and land in those countries that refuse to enter that zone.

But in the long term, signalling obedience and compliance will prove to have been the worst possible choice, I'm sure. I cannot help myself, I just do not believe in showing weakness, indifference and signs of intimidation being wise. Never.

Admiral Halsey · 11-29-13, 11:21 AM

It's times like this when we could use Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick policy.

Skybird · 11-29-13, 11:35 AM

Did he buy his stick paying in cash or via credit card?

11-26-13, 02:11 PM	#1
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	An interesting development A message has been conveyed so to speak. http://news.yahoo.com/us-flies-b-52-...172803843.html

11-26-13, 02:17 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Nothing for China to worry about. Those old grannies couldn't hurt a fly. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-26-13, 02:32 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Well it certainly made front page on the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25110011 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-26-13, 07:59 PM	#5
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Interesting, yes... I don't think there'll be a war coming out of this. Our govt is too busy sitting on its hands. __________________

11-28-13, 06:32 AM	#11
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	The B-52's were just the decoys. China didn't, couldn't see the stealth bombers flying over Beijing. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

11-26-13, 02:16 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah I saw mention of that on the BBC earlier today and thought it an interesting development.

11-27-13, 06:17 PM	#8
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Shouldn't japan put a flag on one of the islands . Then china can try to spam it with multiple aircraft etc .

11-27-13, 08:25 PM	#9
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Our mob called the Chinese ambassador in for a stern chat voicing our concerns about their expanded air space and today got a firm sod off from Beijing

11-27-13, 10:37 PM	#10
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	That's diplomacy for you. It's all about the talking to stop the doing.

11-28-13, 03:00 PM	#12
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Maybe in a few years when Taiwan looks like being secured.

11-29-13, 10:46 AM	#13
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,642 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Chinese interceptors scrambled to identify 2 US surveillance and 10 Japanese EW and fighter aircraft. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25155605 Local civilian airlines comply with the Chinese demands. Which definitely is the wrong signal, I think, it sets a precedence for accepting territorial claims that the Chinese in the future can fall back to by saying: "But if you disagree with our claims, why have you accepted our rules in the past?" The correct answer would have been to either ignore the Chinese demand and have an international cooperation that secures protection of civilian flights in the Chinese zone of aggression by Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Taiwanese and American fighters, or to fly around the area - and ban all Chinese carriers to fly to and land in those countries that refuse to enter that zone. But in the long term, signalling obedience and compliance will prove to have been the worst possible choice, I'm sure. I cannot help myself, I just do not believe in showing weakness, indifference and signs of intimidation being wise. Never. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-29-13, 11:21 AM	#14
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	It's times like this when we could use Teddy Roosevelt's Big Stick policy.

11-29-13, 11:35 AM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,642 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Did he buy his stick paying in cash or via credit card? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.