Boy Scouts of America votes to ease ban on gay members

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I did not ask for your opinion. When I want it I'll give it to you.

Pedophile has noting to do with it. Two different things.

You can dispense with homophobic crap as well. My nephew is only gay. I enjoy holidays with him. He helped me move. My kids play board games with him. I support everything he does.

LOL you are angry!

What is your fear of your child going off with a homosexual scoutmaster, what is your fear?

Is it your bigotry? Pedophilia has nothing to do with it, then what is it, what is your fear, what is your phobia, your homophobia?


You assumed the "faggot" would do something to your kid, then claimed it had nothing to do with pedophelia, what is your fear?

Answer please,


Homophobia= fear of homosexuals.
Or religion,.
Or is it hate?

either way it is intolerance

Kudos for your nephew.

Edit: before you answer this post I want one stat that says Gays want to screw kids. Or are any different than heteros, outside of who they like to kiss.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

LOL you are angry!

What is your fear of your child going of fwith a homosexual scoutmaster, what is your fear?

Is it your bogotry? Pedophilia has nothing to do with it, then what is it, what is your fear, what is your phobia, your homophobia,


You assumed the "faggot" would do somethimg to your kid, then claimed it had nothing to do with pedophelia, what is your fear?

Answer please,



Homophobia= fear of homosexuals.

Or is it hate?

The issue is normal sexual tension, not pedophilia. If you had a 14 year old daughter, would you let her shower, sleep and go out into the woods with a 21 year old male scout leader? Let's agree both keep their thoughts to themselves and behave, the fact is it's sexual tension not needed for children that age in that atmospehere. It would be the same for a young s8 male scout and adult male gay leader, the sexual tension would be there. The only way to handle it is with lots of rules, which would ruin the intent of scouting.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

LOL you are angry!

What is your fear of your child going off with a homosexual scoutmaster, what is your fear?

Is it your bigotry? Pedophilia has nothing to do with it, then what is it, what is your fear, what is your phobia, your homophobia?


You assumed the "faggot" would do something to your kid, then claimed it had nothing to do with pedophelia, what is your fear?

Answer please,


Homophobia= fear of homosexuals.
Or religion,.
Or is it hate?

either way it is intolerance

Kudos for your nephew.

Edit: before you answer this post I want one stat that says Gays want to screw kids. Or are any different than heteros, outside of who they like to kiss.

It is patently obvious that his concern was of the inherent sexual interjection in scouting. Prior to this, sex was not something officially stated in scouting. While I disagree with AVG's assertion, I do not see him as a discriminatory individual. Jumping up and down while hysterically yelling "homophobe" will not render him so.

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Would those concerned be happy with a female scout leader in charge of male scouts?

(hypothetical mixed-gender scouting association)

You mean like a Den Mother? I had one of those but that was well before puberty so it's not the same thing.

The reason we separate genders post puberty is because of sexuality pure and simple. If you put large numbers of people in that position there will always be problems of that nature.

They are basically creating the same situation by allowing open homosexuality. There will be problems and in the case of the Boy Scouts I fear it may be fatal to the organization. We'll see.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

LOL you are angry!

What is your fear of your child going off with a homosexual scoutmaster, what is your fear?

Is it your bigotry? Pedophilia has nothing to do with it, then what is it, what is your fear, what is your phobia, your homophobia?


You assumed the "faggot" would do something to your kid, then claimed it had nothing to do with pedophelia, what is your fear?

Answer please,


Homophobia= fear of homosexuals.
Or religion,.
Or is it hate?

either way it is intolerance

Kudos for your nephew.

Edit: before you answer this post I want one stat that says Gays want to screw kids. Or are any different than heteros, outside of who they like to kiss.

What part of gay male and pedophile are two different things as I stated in my last post did you not grasp? Is it always about sex? Do you mean to tell me, out side of sexual contact, that a young mind can be influenced by another in just about anything? In short, I check out everyone my children come in contact with. I don't care if it is the Pope. Tunnel vision is a bad thing. You seem to have it with gay males, children and sex. Parents get concerned and have reservations with sending their kids off without making contact with the adult that will be looking after them. My nephew is an adult. As stated, they play board games together. Attend movies. I host cook outs where is significant other attends. What part of homophobia did you want to discuss?

As far as tolerance you seem to have problems with inner city ghettos. What is the fear? The actual city or the people that inhabit the place? For someone who promotes tolerance must certainly tolerate everything else in life correct?

Hug Christie for me.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

You mean like a Den Mother? I had one of those but that was well before puberty so it's not the same thing.

The reason we separate genders post puberty is because of sexuality pure and simple. If you put large numbers of people in that position there will always be problems of that nature.

They are basically creating the same situation by allowing open homosexuality. There will be problems and in the case of the Boy Scouts I fear it may be fatal to the organization. We'll see.

My mom was a den mother. That was cub scouts.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

It is patently obvious that his concern was of the inherent sexual interjection in scouting. Prior to this, sex was not something officially stated in scouting. While I disagree with AVG's assertion, I do not see him as a discriminatory individual. Jumping up and down while hysterically yelling "homophobe" will not render him so.

Not necessarily true Tak. Soopa interjected the sexual connotations. As a parent, I check out all adults that will be looking after my kids. I meet their teachers and school administration. I meet their friends before going to the movies or mall. My concern is influences introduced by adults and peers. It is not always a sexual nature. Soopa made that suggestion. My nephew is openly gay and an adopted Korean as well. My kids see have had family gatherings with him and his significant other. There is not influence there but we were questioned. As a parent we provided answers. It is not unusual to see two female HS students holding hands and open about their relationship. Kids today are more accepting of it. I have to be more accepting of it if I want to have a relationship with my nephew. And I do. He is a great kid who has grown into a find young man that teach 6th grade math. Homophobe I'm not. Agreeing with the lifestyle I do not see eye to eye. Then again, quite a few heterosexual lifestyles I don't see eye to eye on either.

I don't discriminate. I hate everyone equally!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Not necessarily true Tak. Soopa interjected the sexual connotations. As a parent, I check out all adults that will be looking after my kids. I meet their teachers and school administration. I meet their friends before going to the movies or mall. My concern is influences introduced by adults and peers. It is not always a sexual nature. Soopa made that suggestion. My nephew is openly gay and an adopted Korean as well. My kids see have had family gatherings with him and his significant other. There is not influence there but we were questioned. As a parent we provided answers. It is not unusual to see two female HS students holding hands and open about their relationship. Kids today are more accepting of it. I have to be more accepting of it if I want to have a relationship with my nephew. And I do. He is a great kid who has grown into a find young man that teach 6th grade math. Homophobe I'm not. Agreeing with the lifestyle I do not see eye to eye. Then again, quite a few heterosexual lifestyles I don't see eye to eye on either.

I don't discriminate. I hate everyone equally!

My apologies for interjecting then.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

My apologies for interjecting then.

Please interject. I was not clear when I said I would be concerned if my kid was wandering off in the woods with a openly gay scout master. My concerns is in the scout master being responsible. Responsible in watching my children. Not providing mixed messages. Everyone provides mixed messages from one to to another.

[garren]

But there's a division of sexes for a reason, or so I thought. Most people are straight and don't want to feel uncomfortable knowing that their private parts might be getting looked at by the opposite sex. Now straight boys have to feel uncomfortable being around other boys who might be eyeing their private parts when they shower or go to the restroom. That's not really fair to straight boys is it? Not like they are allowed to go into the female restroom and make them feel uncomfortable.

So, I feel like if we are moving to an "anything goes" type of society then I think it's time we get rid of his and her bathrooms altogether and just have integrated bathrooms and integrated showering as well. This whole "us and them" isn't promoting equality anyways. Just making one group feel superior to another. If we can tell straight boys to "get over it" when it comes to their concerns for personal comfort then we should be telling females the same thing when it comes to their concerns about males seeing them naked as well.

It's 2013 (does that even matter? I hear this so often as being an excuse for change.) and I can't believe they can integrate women into combat roles and onboard submarines at the snap of a finger but men and women can't share a common restroom in 2013 while gays can with straight people. What's the concern? Get over it already people. Lose your morality cause nobody believes in God anymore or the bible cause Barack Obama is our new messiah and we all must worship him and all the "progress" he's bringing! Before long we will be just like all the other 3rd world countries and that's great because America needs to share the power with the rest of the world cause we're all equals and nobody's country should hold power over another and we should all be free to walk around this world naked and have sex with anybody we want in public places and with non-humans as well and with trees and rocks and insects.

And while we're at it I think we should be accepting of men marrying more than one wife and women marrying more than one husband and all sorts of other formerly "deviant" acts. It's obvious nobody cares about the bible anymore or what it says. Anything and everything should go from this point forward. Don't hold back. Be as perverted as you wish to be cause government run public schools have taught us that evolution is what is real and that there is no God and that the bible is just a fiction book.

Want to marry your dog or have sex with it - go for it and get a tax break for it too. Nobody should be able to ever tell you no or that you're disgusting again. Everybody's a winner in a progressive liberal world. There are no losers. That's oppression and offensive to YOUR personal views and way of life. Want to marry your daughter and breed with her? Go for it. Break her in and make a real woman out of her. Want to breastfeed your 17 year old son and show him how to pleasure a woman with his mouth? You're such a good mom! That's how you raise a real man who will treat women reaaaallllllyyyy good!

For real, I honestly don't care anymore. I don't recognize America anymore or where it's heading. Progression you say? Progression to where? Hell? Sure seems like it. So if that's where we're heading then might as well go all out! I'm not knocking what anyone does anymore. I've gotten to the place where I'm even accepting of murderers and rapists as well. Why not? Who am I to judge them or knock their way of life? Whatever floats your boat - go for it. Hell, why does anyone even allow anyone to govern over them at all? You don't want a God to govern over you but you don't mind allowing other men and women telling you what to do or how to live your life? That's strange. Are you a free man or woman or a sheep that needs to be herded and controlled and told what to do? Who is anyone to tell you how to live your life if they are less than a God? Just another a-hole with an opinion of how you should be living your life. Why have government at all? Why not support a society without government so people can be truly free and go hog wild any way they wish? Why just stop with homosexuality people - we can do so much more to show how truly disgusting we can be!

[AVGWarhawk]

But there's a division of sexes for a reason, or so I thought. Most people are straight and don't want to feel uncomfortable knowing that their private parts might be getting looked at by the opposite sex. Now straight boys have to feel uncomfortable being around other boys who might be eyeing their private parts when they shower or go to the restroom. That's not really fair to straight boys is it? Not like they are allowed to go into the female restroom and make them feel uncomfortable.

I'm uncomfortable with anyone, other than my wife, looking at my privates. I was more so when I was a kid. Hell, I suffer from bashful bladder. I'm not sure if what you stated really qualifies as a reason.

So, I feel like if we are moving to an "anything goes" type of society then I think it's time we get rid of his and her bathrooms altogether and just have integrated bathrooms and integrated showering as well. This whole "us and them" isn't promoting equality anyways. Just making one group feel superior to another. If we can tell straight boys to "get over it" when it comes to their concerns for personal comfort then we should be telling females the same thing when it comes to their concerns about males seeing them naked as well.

There should be gay bathroom facilities then?

It's 2013 (does that even matter? I hear this so often as being an excuse for change.) and I can't believe they can integrate women into combat roles and onboard submarines at the snap of a finger but men and women can't share a common restroom in 2013 while gays can with straight people. What's the concern? Get over it already people. Lose your morality cause nobody believes in God anymore or the bible cause Barack Obama is our new messiah and we all must worship him and all the "progress" he's bringing! Before long we will be just like all the other 3rd world countries and that's great because America needs to share the power with the rest of the world cause we're all equals and nobody's country should hold power over another and we should all be free to walk around this world naked and have sex with anybody we want in public places and with non-humans as well and with trees and rocks and insects.

And while we're at it I think we should be accepting of men marrying more than one wife and women marrying more than one husband and all sorts of other formerly "deviant" acts. It's obvious nobody cares about the bible anymore or what it says. Anything and everything should go from this point forward. Don't hold back. Be as perverted as you wish to be cause government run public schools have taught us that evolution is what is real and that there is no God and that the bible is just a fiction book.

Want to marry your dog or have sex with it - go for it and get a tax break for it too. Nobody should be able to ever tell you no or that you're disgusting again. Everybody's a winner in a progressive liberal world. There are no losers. That's oppression and offensive to YOUR personal views and way of life. Want to marry your daughter and breed with her? Go for it. Break her in and make a real woman out of her. Want to breastfeed your 17 year old son and show him how to pleasure a woman with his mouth? You're such a good mom! That's how you raise a real man!

For real, I honestly don't care anymore. I don't recognize America anymore or where it's heading. Progression you say? Progression to where? Hell? Sure seems like it. So if that's where we're heading then might as well go all out! I'm not knocking what anyone does anymore. I've gotten to the place where I'm even accepting of murderers and rapists as well. Why not? Who am I to judge them or knock their way of life? Whatever floats your boat - go for it. Hell, why does anyone even allow anyone to govern over them at all? You don't want a God to govern over you but you don't mind allowing other men and women telling you what to do or how to live your life? That's strange.

Who is anyone to tell you how to live your life if they are less than a God? Just another a-hole with an opinion of how you should be living your life. Are you a man or a sheep? Why have government at all? Why not support a society without government so people can be truly free and go hog wild any way they wish? Why just stop with homosexuality?

I'm at a loss for words here.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by garren

Why just stop with homosexuality people - we can do so much more to show how truly disgusting we can be!

I was going to respond to more of what you said but I think quoting this last bit of nasty insult does the job.

Originally Posted by Webster

wow

I am glad you agree Steves comment did not make sense.

Originally Posted by Armistead

Thought this was about the BS? The issue for me is having adults attracted to the same sex being in situations where my childs body would be exposed. We don't put male coaches in the girls high school locker room because of sexual reasons. Sorry, if one is an adult gay male, I don't see how sexual tension wouldn't arise being alone with naked male teens. It's not fair to either party.


.

But this is about gay boy scouts not gay boy scout leaders.
If you want to deal with the ban on gay boy scout leaders you can take the issue of the lesbian who got banned from being a boy scout leader as she was gay.

This issue is about children, not adults in sports, in which I have no problem with the gay issue

So what about kids in sports, should gay kids be banned from team sports?
Hey I asked that already didn't I.

Originally Posted by Armistead

Things may have changed, I know in the 70's, during long camping trips we often all used the same public showers. I recall once after a long dirty hike, we all used the open showers outside. It may be leaders don't shower with the scouts today. Still, you see a lot of nakedness, etc.

Again, for me it's more about sexual tension and risk regarding children with adults. As I said, you don't see male coaches in the girls locker room because they would be aroused by the girls nakedness. I don't see how a gay male scout leader could ignore seeing numerous naked male teens. We are aroused by what we're attracted to. It doesn't make the person bad, just not the right situation for adults and children to be in.

If we're honest, if a open gay scout leader came to pick up your 15 year old son to take out into the woods for a 7 day trip, thoughts of concern would cross your mind. This isn't band camp, etc....

So if it was band camp instead of scout camp you would raise no objections?

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Why has homosexual become synonymous with Pedophile?

Good point soopa

Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, we both know we wouldn't send our daughters out camping with a male leader......because of sexual issues and risk. It's a tough issue, having the same body parts, but same sex attraction.

Wouldn't you, are you that afraid of nonces being everywhere?

Originally Posted by Armistead

The issue is simply sexual tension shouldn't be a part of this activity, because scouts often have to expose their sexuality.

.

Someone said earlier that such things never had a place in scouting.

Scouts should be as sexually neutral as possible

So it wouldn't matter if they was homo or hetro would it?

Originally Posted by August

You mean like a Den Mother? I had one of those but that was well before puberty so it's not the same thing.

The reason we separate genders post puberty is because of sexuality pure and simple. If you put large numbers of people in that position there will always be problems of that nature.

So child molesters don't abuse kids before puberty???????
What about if its a woman child molester who abuses little boys, how is your ban on gays going to help there?

They are basically creating the same situation by allowing open homosexuality. There will be problems and in the case of the Boy Scouts I fear it may be fatal to the organization.

Isn't that exactly what they said about the military?

[soopaman2]

AVG, I have a caustic way about me, I mean no harms.

*laughs at Takeda then ignores his constant insults*

Mister AVG, I understand your point, I was only asking what you based your opinions on.

I do not see a threat from gay scoutmasters while you do, simply invoking open debate. Why are gays so creepy to people?

Unlike Takeda, who just openly attacks a post because I wrote it, no matter the context.

[garren]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I was going to respond to more of what you said but I think quoting this last bit of nasty insult does the job.

I'm not insulting anyone. I'm open to all sorts of perversions now. I have to thank the gay community on liberating me from that oppressive morality I once had. You know, without them I'd still be a church going man praying for healing and now I know I've just been wasting my time and oppressing myself. I'm FREE! Free at last. Think I'm going to go dress up in my wife's panties and prance around and have sex with some bullfrogs today cause I'm just soooo freeeee!!!! Yippeeee!!!! Freeeeee!!!