Should assault rifles be banned in the US?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

Here's another "foreigner's" view...

Why not ban all lethal guns and allow the use of tranquilizer weapons instead?That way you could still subdue a perpetrator and not open yourself up to a manslaughter/murder rap and hopefully stop these nutters getting hold of life ending equipment.

Because banning all lethal guns would require attempting to disarm a vast number of citizens who would rather be labelled outlaws than give up their guns.

As for the sport argument... I've never seen anything macho about hunting with guns a "real man" should surely be able to wrestle an animal to the ground and kill it with his bare hands instead taking the rather cowardly minimal risk/ hide behind a tree/sniper scope approach .

What you, or I, think is "macho" is irrelevant. What a gun owner uses the gun for is, within limits, his or her own business. The opposite argument would be to leave the guns alone but ban hunting. That isn't going to happen either.

On the other hand how "macho" is it to buy a steak cut from a cow that someone else clubbed on the head? It has nothing to do with anything.

As for the "inshrined in the constitution" arguement... Bush and his cronies were fast enough to bend the constitution to take away suspected terrorists rights but suddenly now it can't be bent to protect America's children?

And many Americans protested that, and still are.

You can't just remove something from the constitution. First a new amendment has to be proposed. Then it has to pass the appropriate committee. Then it has to be voted on by both House and Senate. Then it has to be ratified by two-thirds of the States. If the government tries to bypass that procedure then we no longer have a Constitutional government, and you will see an armed rebellion, which is the real reason the Second Amendment is there in the first place.

August's reply may have been cliched, but I feel the same way. If you want my guns, by all means come try to take them.

While people have taken August and Soopaman to task for the "Outlander" thing, I think Sonarman's post is a perfect example of that very thing. Opinion is fine, and criticizm is fine, but you obviously have no understanding at all of the way we think, or of the way things work here.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

While people have taken August and Soopaman to task for the "Outlander" thing, I think Sonarman's post is a perfect example of that very thing. Opinion is fine, and criticizm is fine, but you obviously have no understanding at all of the way we think, or of the way things work here.

In case, I will expect to see you refrain from commenting about an east coast school shooting due to the fact that you are a non-school district employee from Utah. After all, fair is fair outlander.

[Jimbuna]

Hard to believe this has made page 3

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In case, I will expect to see you refrain from commenting about an east coast school shooting due to the fact that you are a non-school district employee from Utah. After all, fair is fair outlander.

I wouldn't dream about it. Did you call me outlandish?

On the other hand the Christians tried to get a Mormon elected, and you don't get much more outlandish, or outlander, than that.

And before anyone says that comment is not related, I live in the heart of Mormonville, and you don't get much more related than that.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I wouldn't dream about it. Did you call me outlandish?

On the other hand the Christians tried to get a Mormon elected, and you don't get much more outlandish, or outlander, than that.

Beat it, outlander.

EDIT: I think you're missing the point. We can all create artificial constructs in order to marginalize opinions that we don't like, but this is not only unhealthy for the community but against the spirit of what these forums are supposed to be.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Beat it, outlander.

Beat what?

[edit]

EDIT: I think you're missing the point. We can all create artificial constructs in order to marginalize opinions that we don't like, but this is not only unhealthy for the community but against the spirit of what these forums are supposed to be.

Sorry, I thought I got the point exactly. My point was to do just that, as a humorous way of dismissing the dismissals.

I thought.

[GT182]

I don't think we're going to have much of a choise after what happened in Conneticut. The Pres will see to it assault guns are banned completely, and the handgun laws will change too. There's no way any new law will please everyone, but something has to happen so nothing like this ever happens again. They need some fool proof way to determine if someone is a potiential risk and not allowed to even have, let alone own a firearm.

Now I have a question. Would you feel uncomfortable with someone carrying a consealed handgun while you are working with them? This pereson is not a Federal officer and not a cop, but he does have a 'consealed handgun permit'. He's just a young guy that thinks he has to have it on him where ever he goes.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yeah, but this is not just a national, but an international forum. As such, you had better get used to reading the opinions of people from other parts of the world. It is their right to give those opinions, whether you like it or not. This whole 'beat it, outlander' thing is just silly.

That's not really an accurate representation of what I said. I never told him to leave, just to mind his own business. I have no problem with him being here but I do expect him to show respect for other cultures.

I would not go to Germany or Australia for example and begin ragging on aspects of their culture that I didn't like and there are things I don't like about both countries because to do so would be rude and disrespectful.

And make no mistake, showing disrespect is exactly what Cybermat was intending when he put up this thread.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by GT182

Now I have a question. Would you feel uncomfortable with someone carrying a consealed handgun while you are working with them? This pereson is not a Federal officer and not a cop, but he does have a 'consealed handgun permit'. He's just a young guy that thinks he has to have it on him where ever he goes.

Since it's 'concealed' I think the proper question is how comfortable are you with the idea that the guy next to you might be carrying. Since there are a large number of CC permits in Utah and anybody I see anywhere might be carrying, no, I don't have a problem with it at all. On the other hand I've seen at least three men carrying openly in the last year, and after the initial surprise I wasn't bothered by that either. Your "Just a young guy who thinks he has to have it on him wherever he goes" might turn out to be a nutcase who shoots me dead without warning. He may also be the guy who saves my life when someone else tries to do just that.

A retired cop of my aquaintance once said he considered the armed citizen to be his best backup.

We had a thread on this not long ago.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ght=open+carry

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Or at least use a long bow like real men used to. None of this sissified compound bow with a scope garbage. And then there's this new-fangled bait crap. Don't get me started on this whole Gore Tex thing either. Real men wore sack cloth breeches and a hood on rainy days. In fact, I can't help but notice that the decline in social mores coincides with the increase in hunter amenities. Coincidence?

Oh yeah you want to tell a woman who has a violent ex boyfriend stalking her to use a long bow like a real man if she wants to defend herself? You want to tell an elderly person or handicapped person what weapons you feel they don't need to protect themselves?

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In case, I will expect to see you refrain from commenting about an east coast school shooting due to the fact that you are a non-school district employee from Utah. After all, fair is fair outlander.

Wrong. We as a nation worked that particular issue out amongst ourselves back in 1865. Steves home, my home, your home, OUR home is everywhere from Maine to Hawaii and Alaska to Texas.

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by August

Oh yeah you want to tell a woman who has a violent ex boyfriend stalking her to use a long bow like a real man if she wants to defend herself? You want to tell an elderly person or handicapped person what weapons you feel they don't need to protect themselves?

No but she could use some form of tranquilser weapon the longbow reference is out of context as it was a reference to hunting not home intrusion.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

That's not really an accurate representation of what I said. I never told him to leave, just to mind his own business. I have no problem with him being here but I do expect him to show respect for other cultures.

I would not go to Germany or Australia for example and begin ragging on aspects of their culture that I didn't like and there are things I don't like about both countries because to do so would be rude and disrespectful.

And make no mistake, showing disrespect is exactly what Cybermat was intending when he put up this thread.

Respect is a two-way street. You've said the same thing to multiple people over the past few days. I'm not a part of this gun culture, and I find it completely alien to me. Am I to be silenced as well?

Oh yeah you want to tell a woman who has a violent ex boyfriend stalking her to use a long bow like a real man if she wants to defend herself? You want to tell an elderly person or handicapped person what weapons you feel they don't need to protect themselves?

Do you use a long bow?

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Respect is a two-way street. You've said the same thing to multiple people over the past few days. I'm not a part of this gun culture, and I find it completely alien to me. Am I to be silenced as well?

Silenced? Stop being such a drama queen. Can you tell me the respect that was intended with his stupid poll?

Do you use a long bow?

I own three of them. I'm a pretty good shot with them too.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Silenced? Stop being such a drama queen. Can you tell me the respect that was intended with his stupid poll?

Then tell him why he is wrong. You know, discussion? Like, on a discussion forum? Otherwise it's all just snippy snippy, and there's Reddit, 4Chan and SomethingAwful for that. We're supposed to be something better here.

I own three of them. I'm a pretty good shot with them too.

Then you're a man.

EDIT: Oh, and drama? Let's be honest, this thread would have probably have sunk to page two by now, like most of Cybermat's other nonsense, if you hadn't come in and drama'd the place up a few pages ago.