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kranz · 11-21-12, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You made no such argument in that post. You gave a snippy answer and posted a bunch of emoticons. You know, your usual modus operandi.

the argument was that we have been fed with propaganda numbers but you failed to see it. Especially when you act according to your modus operandi: read one post, post irrelevant response, being redirected to another post, post another irrelevant response. Read the whole or better don't because it seems like you have come here just to sniff out some imagined problems in my posts. Didn't get my point? I don't care...

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

That almost resembles an answer, albeit in a Skybirdian round-about way.

I will take that for a compliment.

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Regarding the "Straight to the gas": The article above also says that about approximately 320000 of 420000 Hungarian Jews were send directly into the chambers. Why is this an idiotic claim?
The people were registered when the trains took off. For the people who died during the transport and for those who were of no use (=instant death sentence) there was no bureaucratic necessity to register them on the prisoner list. Why should they, they needed no resources like space in the barracks, food, clothing, etc. So in the cold world of bureaucracy they never arrived in the camps as prisoners.

agreed. That's what I meant. But I've seen posts (including axisforums) in which people argued that the 'final' number of victims should be higher because of that 'straight to gas' transports. That's is what I called idiocy, not the fact that they existed as such.

Back to archives. In 20 years or even less we gonna hear about 4 million and no one will be surprised.

Takeda Shingen · 11-21-12, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

the argument was that we have been fed with propaganda numbers but you failed to see it. Especially when you act according to your modus operandi: read one post, post irrelevant response, being redirected to another post, post another irrelevant response. Read the whole or better don't because it seems like you have come here just to sniff out some imagined problems in my posts. Didn't get my point? I don't care...

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Originally Posted by kranz

yep.
exactly the same computers which altered the number to 6 million

(in the late 1990's in schools we were still fed with the 7 million, not to mention the early post-war calculations which were as funny as the 6 million is today

)

As I hope you can read for yourself, you said nothing of the sort in your post. Your statement rang of an arrogant belief that you and you alone knew what the numbers were, hence the line of questioning from Jim, Dowly and myself. If you had stated clearly in the first place, you wouldn't have three different people chasing you around to try and get you to clarify your remarks, no? Getting all butthurt over it won't change anything. Being needlessly rude to Cybermat47 didn't help either. Just say what you mean and mean what you say. Try to do it in a respectful manner too. We could have avoided all of this.

Here endeth the lesson.

Dowly · 11-21-12, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz

the argument was that we have been fed with propaganda numbers but you failed to see it.

One does not have to believe in that propaganda.

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Back to archives. In 20 years or even less we gonna hear about 4 million[...]

Not unless someone can discredit the data the current estimates are based on and come up with a more creditable estimate.

MH · 11-21-12, 02:35 PM

So it is 4m....how cool.

Gerald · 11-21-12, 04:10 PM

How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.

Takeda Shingen · 11-21-12, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.

MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.

Gerald · 11-21-12, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.

OK! Thanks for info.

Jimbuna · 11-21-12, 05:04 PM

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MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.

Extremely sad if that is in fact the case

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.

Welcome to a historian's work.

I'm just saying that when you read enough, you get used to all the bad things you learn about. You don't need to forget nor ignore, but you need to get used to it. There is no way you can keep wallowing on it if you ever want to finish your job. Your tears are not going to bring anyone back or make you a better person. The best you can do is to treat them with the respect they deserve. And not only them, but the perpetrators as well. Your job is not to demonize them any more than they themselves deserve: a trap many hobby historians fall into, painting the world happily black and white.

And for the record, I despise the books that do nothing but present an atrocity after atrocity. That might appeal to someone's inner sadists or their need for social pornography, but I get to see those enough in the original documents that these books get written about in the first place.

kranz · 11-22-12, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Not unless someone can discredit the data the current estimates are based on and come up with a more creditable estimate.

they ain't that stupid.

article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

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So it is 4m....how cool.

Would you be more satisfied if the figure was bigger than 6 million?

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

they ain't that stupid.

article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

I'm speechless.

MH · 11-22-12, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

Would you be more satisfied if the figure was bigger than 6 million?

wow...you are so pathetic....

Dowly · 11-22-12, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

they ain't that stupid.

article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)?

kranz · 11-22-12, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)?

It does not.
But can the approximation of 5.2-6 million be regarded as a fact?

kranz · 11-22-12, 09:52 AM

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wow...you are so pathetic....

I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation.

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