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Old 11-21-12, 02:35 PM   #1
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So it is 4m....how cool.
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Old 11-21-12, 04:10 PM   #2
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How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.
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Old 11-21-12, 04:21 PM   #3
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How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.
MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.
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Old 11-21-12, 04:26 PM   #4
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MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.
OK! Thanks for info.
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Old 11-21-12, 05:04 PM   #5
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MH knows this. He likely had relatives that perished in the Holocaust.
Extremely sad if that is in fact the case
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Old 11-22-12, 01:29 AM   #6
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How cool...people counted in the millions, they had a face and a soul.
Welcome to a historian's work.

I'm just saying that when you read enough, you get used to all the bad things you learn about. You don't need to forget nor ignore, but you need to get used to it. There is no way you can keep wallowing on it if you ever want to finish your job. Your tears are not going to bring anyone back or make you a better person. The best you can do is to treat them with the respect they deserve. And not only them, but the perpetrators as well. Your job is not to demonize them any more than they themselves deserve: a trap many hobby historians fall into, painting the world happily black and white.

And for the record, I despise the books that do nothing but present an atrocity after atrocity. That might appeal to someone's inner sadists or their need for social pornography, but I get to see those enough in the original documents that these books get written about in the first place.
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Old 11-22-12, 02:50 AM   #7
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Not unless someone can discredit the data the current estimates are based on and come up with a more creditable estimate.
they ain't that stupid.
article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

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So it is 4m....how cool.
Would you be more satisfied if the figure was bigger than 6 million?
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they ain't that stupid.
article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).
I'm speechless.
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Would you be more satisfied if the figure was bigger than 6 million?
wow...you are so pathetic....
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Old 11-22-12, 09:52 AM   #10
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wow...you are so pathetic....
I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation.
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"Der Krieg? Ich kann das nicht so schrecklich finden! Der Tod eines Menschen: das ist eine Katastrophe. Hunderttausend Tote: das ist eine Statistik!"
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Old 11-22-12, 10:39 AM   #12
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I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation.
Whatever...i dont really care.
Now lets pretend that it is inteligent conversation...carry on...
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^ Hi MH! How are things?
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they ain't that stupid.
article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).
How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)?
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How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)?
It does not.
But can the approximation of 5.2-6 million be regarded as a fact?
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