So how do your kids school Celebrates the Russian revolution

[yubba]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

These are the kinds of statements that are just dumb attempts to perpetuate the victim complex. The media isn't reporting it? What do you call Drudge, Fox News, Glenn Beck's website, et al.? That's not the media? Fox fans love to bash the "lamestream media" and then turn around and crow about how Fox is the most watched news channel. You can't have it both ways.

I did't say fox and freinds weren't reporting this,,, where do you think I get this stuff to share with you from a crystal ball, by the way mines broke. I meant the mainstream wasn't reporting except fox excuse me I'll try to be more clear..

[Penguin]

America 2012:

The US has a gigantic trade deficit with the biggest dictatorship in the world, their "marts" are full with stuff made there.
People who think they are patriots by putting up a China-made flag sticker on their car, twitter the news on their icrap device - made in factories with work conditions so bad that the workers there start a riot:

Freedom is at stake because a school band in onehorsetown, US performs a little play.

I could only laugh at the irony dripping from it, if it wasn't so damned sad.


Hey Yubba: you want to stand up for freedom? Stop supporting a country where re-education camps exist, look where you buy your stuff. That's a little baby step which requires as few effort as posting on a board in the web. And stand up for the freedom of others - be happy to live in a country where freedom of academia and freedom of art exist. The last time I checked, they were still there. You also have the right to report the school to the police, if they did something illegal. Defend all these rights, as well as the right to have a different opinion.

I'll close my rant with a little quote:

"Freedom only for government supporters, only for the members of a party – however numerous they may be – is no freedom. Freedom is always the freedom of those who think differently, to voice their opinion. Not because of the fanaticism of justice, but because all the vitalizing, wholesome, and purifying in political freedom depends on this characteristic, and its effects cease to work when freedom becomes a privilege."

Rosa Luxemburg - evil Commie bitch, murdered by people who didn't like her opinion

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Penguin

America 2012:

The US has a gigantic trade deficit with the biggest dictatorship in the world, their "marts" are full with stuff made there.
People who think they are patriots by putting up a China-made flag sticker on their car, twitter the news on their icrap device - made in factories with work conditions so bad that the workers there start a riot:

Freedom is at stake because a school band in onehorsetown, US performs a little play.

I could only laugh at the irony dripping from it, if it wasn't so damned sad.


Hey Yubba: you want to stand up for freedom? Stop supporting a country where re-education camps exist, look where you buy your stuff. That's a little baby step which requires as few effort as posting on a board in the web. And stand up for the freedom of others - be happy to live in a country where freedom of academia and freedom of art exist. The last time I checked, they were still there. You also have the right to report the school to the police, if they did something illegal. Defend all these rights, as well as the right to have a different opinion.

I'll close my rant with a little quote:

Rosa Luxemburg - evil Commie bitch, murdered by people who didn't like her opinion

Well I can't be to picky when I'm digging through a dumpster,, Have you looked on the back of your computer and that big screen monitior and see where it was made, or that i phone you are use-ing.
I guess you don't have a problem with that idea of makeing Auchwitz the musical. I had this arguement with neon samaiari ,, they shouldn't have used kids, that didn't know the history of the event,, I can't say for a fact the kids didn't know the history,, that will come out when this story unfolds. But this lays the question what are they teaching our kids,,if they are not teaching our kids how to be citizens of this great nation and how to function in it,, then what are we paying all this money out to education for,, to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny..

I guess you don't have a problem with that idea of makeing Auchwitz the musical

Is that a follow on to Springtime for Hitler or is it the penultimate song in Hitler the musical?
Though personally I do prefer the plain comedy films when it comes to the holocaust.

what are we paying all this money out to education for,, to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny.. to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny.. 09-26-2012 07:59 PMto teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny.. 09-26-2012 07:59 PM

No silly that isn't in the politics or history lesson where the kids are indoctrinated by the evil communist capitalist new world order secret global media and banking conspiracy, the little bunny is in the religion lesson as its all about easter.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well I can't be to picky when I'm digging through a dumpster,, Have you looked on the back of your computer and that big screen monitior and see where it was made, or that i phone you are use-ing.
I guess you don't have a problem with that idea of makeing Auchwitz the musical. I had this arguement with neon samaiari ,, they shouldn't have used kids, that didn't know the history of the event,, I can't say for a fact the kids didn't know the history,, that will come out when this story unfolds. But this lays the question what are they teaching our kids,,if they are not teaching our kids how to be citizens of this great nation and how to function in it,, then what are we paying all this money out to education for,, to teach our kids that communism is a nice warm and fuzzy little bunny..

I'm sorry you belong to the 47% about whom Romney gives a damn about, this way I can even less understand you supporting him.
Since you asked: monitor: Slovakia, smartphone (non i): Korea, computer: different components: mostly Taiwan, but also Germany - though my mouse is from China
I am not claiming to be hollier than though, I am talking about how not to support a dictatorship with only little effort - just keep you eyes open what and where you buy. Even if you have little money, I am sure you sometimes buy stuff. For example you can support your local community when you buy groceries from the farmers market and not from the big food monopolists. This leaves the money in the pockets of the people you care for.

Auschwitz the musical? Why not, if it's good. We already have or people or . The comparision is there, as all those - just like the little HS play - did not glorify the things that happened back then. Hell, in Germany there are people who do plays dressed up as Romans, a bloody occupation force back then.

The kids you are talking about attend a senior HS. I am sure it is still the same as during our school times: they learn about the Russian Revolution in grade 11 or 12. We didn't learn about Communism as fuzzy bunnies back then, but how it was according to scientific research (=history). You can certainly obtain the curriculum of the school district in charge of the HS and the titles of the books they use to learn history if you are concerned the students get indoctrinated.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that a follow on to Springtime for Hitler or is it the penultimate song in Hitler the musical?
Though personally I do prefer the plain comedy films when it comes to the holocaust.

Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler!
Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler!
Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler!
Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

About Schmidt. But I may be biased because I'm a Jack Nicholson fan.

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

Would you be so terribly upset if they made a musical about slavery or a comedy on the inquisition or had a commemeration for the confederacy?
Or you could interchange any of those.
I do like the objections to a band doing some songs though, it must mean that those people are strongly in favour of the Tsarist system of rule if they so strong in their objections of its overthrow.

@Penguin. Life is beautiful of course, though jakob the liar also delivers.#
I havn't seen Hitler the musical yet though

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by August

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

A commemoration and the half-time show we are talking about, are also two different things, as the latter contained no element of endorsement.

Let's play a scenario:

Say the US would not have stepped in the war in Europe in the 1940s. Say also, Germany would somehow made it through the war and would still be a fascist dictatorship today. Many US companies moved their production to Germany. A major part of the items available in your shops are made in Nazi Germany, with semi-slave labor. The official US policy is that bringing capitalism into Germany would somehow magically also bring more democracy.

A HS band does a show, called Berlin 1933, where they sport the swastika in a historic connotation.

What would be the bigger problem to you, given that you are not too fond of nazism, and what would be a storm in a waterglass?

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

A commemoration and the half-time show we are talking about, are also two different things, as the latter contained no element of endorsement.

I completely disagree. Singing the songs wearing the costumes and flying the flags and symbols is a significant endorsement. You think those kids will think of the millions of murdered innocents when they see the hammer and sickle or will they think of the Soviet regime as something to be celebrated in song and dance?

Let's play a scenario:

Say the US would not have stepped in the war in Europe in the 1940s. Say also, Germany would somehow made it through the war and would still be a fascist dictatorship today. Many US companies moved their production to Germany. A major part of the items available in your shops are made in Nazi Germany, with semi-slave labor. The official US policy is that bringing capitalism into Germany would somehow magically also bring more democracy.

A HS band does a show, called Berlin 1933, where they sport the swastika in a historic connotation.

What would be the bigger problem to you, given that you are not too fond of nazism, and what would be a storm in a waterglass?

I don't buy that theory. We don't necessarily have to have fought someone to be wrong in promoting them (although it helps). How about a half time commemoration of the Khmer Rouge / Pol Pot years in Cambodia? Would that also be just a storm in a water glass to you as well?

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by August

You think those kids will think of the millions of murdered innocents when they see the hammer and sickle or will they think of the Soviet regime as something to be celebrated in song and dance?

If those are the only alternatives, then there are far sadder things than this episode to be worried about.

[AVGWarhawk]

The basic premise, there is a time and place to address the Russian revolution in music and theatrics. It certainly is not at a halftime show at a football game hosted by the HS band. Play the school song, wear the assigned uniform and march as choreographed.

[Takeda Shingen]

They are wearing their marching band uniforms. The two in the center are likely the drum majors in the dark blue uniforms. They are surrounded by the color guard, who have uniforms that change every year depending on theme. If you look on the far left, you see a member in a red uniform of similar design to the majors' uniforms. That is one of the regular band members. Band uniforms themselves do not change from year to year based on the fact that they are very expensive and are purchased as part of a school budget. High school marching bands usually wear the same uniforms for a decade or more.

Marching band shows are also more drum and bugle corp-style shows now. I don't think that my band ever played the schools song. In fact, I don't think we had a school song. Hasn't really been like that since the 70's.

[CCIP]

Geez guys, as someone who was born in the USSR and whose family had to put up with a lot in the Soviet era...

...I seriously don't even understand what you're even on about!

Russian history and a particular Soviet aesthetic exist. Big deal.