So how do your kids school Celebrates the Russian revolution

August · 09-26-12, 08:37 PM

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Damn you, Tribesman, for answering faster than I did and mentioning Springtime for Hitler!

Speaking of comedies: "Train Of Life" and "Life Is Beautiful" come to my mind, both more tragiccomedies though. Can you recommend other good ones?

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

Penguin · 09-27-12, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Comedies and Commemorations are two very different things. Would you feel as dismissive about this if they had commemorated hitler and the nazis?

A commemoration and the half-time show we are talking about, are also two different things, as the latter contained no element of endorsement.

Let's play a scenario:

Say the US would not have stepped in the war in Europe in the 1940s. Say also, Germany would somehow made it through the war and would still be a fascist dictatorship today. Many US companies moved their production to Germany. A major part of the items available in your shops are made in Nazi Germany, with semi-slave labor. The official US policy is that bringing capitalism into Germany would somehow magically also bring more democracy.

A HS band does a show, called Berlin 1933, where they sport the swastika in a historic connotation.

What would be the bigger problem to you, given that you are not too fond of nazism, and what would be a storm in a waterglass?

August · 09-27-12, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

A commemoration and the half-time show we are talking about, are also two different things, as the latter contained no element of endorsement.

I completely disagree. Singing the songs wearing the costumes and flying the flags and symbols is a significant endorsement. You think those kids will think of the millions of murdered innocents when they see the hammer and sickle or will they think of the Soviet regime as something to be celebrated in song and dance?

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Let's play a scenario:

Say the US would not have stepped in the war in Europe in the 1940s. Say also, Germany would somehow made it through the war and would still be a fascist dictatorship today. Many US companies moved their production to Germany. A major part of the items available in your shops are made in Nazi Germany, with semi-slave labor. The official US policy is that bringing capitalism into Germany would somehow magically also bring more democracy.

A HS band does a show, called Berlin 1933, where they sport the swastika in a historic connotation.

What would be the bigger problem to you, given that you are not too fond of nazism, and what would be a storm in a waterglass?

I don't buy that theory. We don't necessarily have to have fought someone to be wrong in promoting them (although it helps). How about a half time commemoration of the Khmer Rouge / Pol Pot years in Cambodia? Would that also be just a storm in a water glass to you as well?

Hottentot · 09-27-12, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by August

You think those kids will think of the millions of murdered innocents when they see the hammer and sickle or will they think of the Soviet regime as something to be celebrated in song and dance?

If those are the only alternatives, then there are far sadder things than this episode to be worried about.

AVGWarhawk · 09-27-12, 10:24 AM

The basic premise, there is a time and place to address the Russian revolution in music and theatrics. It certainly is not at a halftime show at a football game hosted by the HS band. Play the school song, wear the assigned uniform and march as choreographed.

Takeda Shingen · 09-27-12, 10:29 AM

They are wearing their marching band uniforms. The two in the center are likely the drum majors in the dark blue uniforms. They are surrounded by the color guard, who have uniforms that change every year depending on theme. If you look on the far left, you see a member in a red uniform of similar design to the majors' uniforms. That is one of the regular band members. Band uniforms themselves do not change from year to year based on the fact that they are very expensive and are purchased as part of a school budget. High school marching bands usually wear the same uniforms for a decade or more.

Marching band shows are also more drum and bugle corp-style shows now. I don't think that my band ever played the schools song. In fact, I don't think we had a school song. Hasn't really been like that since the 70's.

CCIP · 09-27-12, 10:47 AM

Geez guys, as someone who was born in the USSR and whose family had to put up with a lot in the Soviet era...

...I seriously don't even understand what you're even on about!

Russian history and a particular Soviet aesthetic exist. Big deal.

AVGWarhawk · 09-27-12, 10:50 AM

Whether these kids were wearing something that would been seen in Russia or not is immaterial to my comment. Band uniforms are band uniforms and should be worn. As far as school songs, my HS(Dulaney) performed "My Maryland" at every game. I attended the University of MD College Park. This school also played "My Maryland" at every sporting event. Performed in the band uniforms. I graduated HS 1984. U. of MD. 1988. U of MD still plays "My Maryland" to this day.

09-27-12, 10:53 AM

If the band played the Imperial March does that mean the evil conspiracy is indoctrinating them to the way of the Sith?

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The Righteous Rage (tm) just took this form this time.

Is that the new version of the cwazy conpiwacy?

09-27-12, 10:24 AM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The basic premise, there is a time and place to address the Russian revolution in music and theatrics. It certainly is not at a halftime show at a football game hosted by the HS band. Play the school song, wear the assigned uniform and march as choreographed. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

09-27-12, 10:47 AM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Geez guys, as someone who was born in the USSR and whose family had to put up with a lot in the Soviet era... ...I seriously don't even understand what you're even on about! Russian history and a particular Soviet aesthetic exist. Big deal. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

09-27-12, 10:50 AM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Whether these kids were wearing something that would been seen in Russia or not is immaterial to my comment. Band uniforms are band uniforms and should be worn. As far as school songs, my HS(Dulaney) performed "My Maryland" at every game. I attended the University of MD College Park. This school also played "My Maryland" at every sporting event. Performed in the band uniforms. I graduated HS 1984. U. of MD. 1988. U of MD still plays "My Maryland" to this day. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

09-27-12, 10:29 AM	#6
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	They are wearing their marching band uniforms. The two in the center are likely the drum majors in the dark blue uniforms. They are surrounded by the color guard, who have uniforms that change every year depending on theme. If you look on the far left, you see a member in a red uniform of similar design to the majors' uniforms. That is one of the regular band members. Band uniforms themselves do not change from year to year based on the fact that they are very expensive and are purchased as part of a school budget. High school marching bands usually wear the same uniforms for a decade or more. Marching band shows are also more drum and bugle corp-style shows now. I don't think that my band ever played the schools song. In fact, I don't think we had a school song. Hasn't really been like that since the 70's.