Navy Preps Subs for First Female Officers

[Anthony W.]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Either they just want to prove themselves, which is highly unnecessary, or they are crazy enough to want to do it. if the latter is true, then hell, they have enough balls to qualify as a man anyway.

If they're just trying to prove themselves, I have no respect.

Yeah, if they're insane enough to want to do it, they get an honorary man card.

[MH]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Nope, quoted the first study I found today, while looking for different study that helped form my view, and as history is littered with more recent 'reputable studies' that discredit older 'reputable studies', I'll enjoy reading the future 'reputable studies' that discredit the current 'reputable studies', hopefully before irreparable damage has been done.

Putting aside the issue of women and men living in the same tube....
When choosing a person for an job i believe that US navy takes into account vast range of parameters.
As long as a man or a woman can fit into those requirement in mental and intellectual scope there should be no problem for a given person to preform the job.
As far as physical training its not always necessary for the training to be equal.
Its more of a issue what this training needs to achieve.It may vary from person to person.
Certainly when it comes to technical side military service.

It seems to me many Females are doing deadly Services now as they have done in the past.
Terrorist stuff, The UnderGround dureing both World Wars, South East Asia, etc, on and on.
Not to mention the IDF's Service Requirements.

Mostly I see the 'It's a Man thing' BS as the problem.
My Second Wife broke my nose.
My current Wife broke the nose of a Guy that Bouncers were holding me back from.
She also put a chair whooping on a Guy that assaulted one of her friends!


I'd fight beside her or any Female like her anyday!

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Also I am not sure that Platapus has the correct date I knew an E-9 female EOD in the USAF and she had been in the USAF(and in EOD) since 1975

You are absolutely correct. During the 1970's there were phases where women were allowed and then not. It seemed to follow a political tide pattern. I should have included this period in my post.

Good catch. Thanks for keeping me honest.

[Tchocky]

It's my belief that women and seamen don't mix, sir.

Women and SeaMen do mix.
That may be the issue.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

...I can tell you the majority of sailors who will be effected do NOT welcome this change, as well many studies show this isn't the best idea...

I believe the same arguments were made against allowing the Negros in the service.. and also the same arguments when women were allowed to serve in the regular services... and the same arguments about allowing homosexuals to serve openly... same arguments, the only thing that changes is the target.

Military does not like change.

But guess what?

1. The military is not a democracy. In my 20 years in, I was never asked to vote on a change.
2. Command does not ask the military member what their feelings are concerning changes in policy. Whether I agreed or disagreed with an policy was simply irrelevant. I learned that the hard way when I first was in.
3. In a few generations, the military adapts rather well to these "unpopular" changes.

It was not all that long ago (about 2 generations) when the idea that a Negro officer being in charge of White troops would destroy morale and unit cohesion. Well if I were to say that today, I would be laughed out of the unit, if not put on report.

It will be OK. There will be members who will choose not to adapt. They will separate, and things will OK.

[TLAM Strike]

See this? This is a Kobben class submarine. For reference its about the size of a WWII Type II U-Boat (yea the small one). Back in the 1980's the Royal Norwegian Navy decided to allow women on submarines. In '95 they got themselves a woman captain, Capt. Solveig Krey (pictured)



They put her on THAT!

If a women can do her job with 23 men for a prolonged patrol in a space smaller than a single wide trailer, I think we can squeeze a few in on one of our big nucs.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Anthony W.

If they're just trying to prove themselves, I have no respect.

Riiiight. Cuz no dude ever joined the military, or volunteered for some particular branch of the service, in order to "prove" himself.

What She Said!!!


I have always said I joined the Army and jumped out of AirCraft to
PROVE to myself and others I was as bad as bad could be!
(And make myself feel better then I was feeling about myself at that time)

So why can't a Female do the same?

And Anthony W.
For your information?
Most of my Wife's Girl Friends would beat you into the ground if you spoke that crap around them!
You lead a sheltered life little Man.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by privateer

What She Said!!!


I have always said I joined the Army and jumped out of AirCraft to
PROVE to myself and others I was as bad as bad could be!




And Anthony W.
For your information?
Most of my Wife's Girl Friends would beat you into the ground if you spoke that crap around them!
You lead a sheltered life little Man.

For my part it was not for want of badness, more so of elite and respect status ( 2 para ). As for the gentleman lacking refinement or tact, I make no doubt has other credits better suited.

Bad = Elite
Where I'm from.
If your the best Skate Boarder?
Your the Baddest Skate Boarder.

I was the first and am still the only one from my family to be AirBorne!
That first step, and everyone after, that changed my life in a way I can not explain.

But I'm sure you understand that.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by privateer

Bad = Elite
Where I'm from.
If your the best Skate Boarder?
Your the Baddest Skate Boarder.

I was the first and am still the only one from my family to be AirBorne!
That first step, and everyone after, that changed my life in a way I can not explain.

But I'm sure you understand that.

I am sensible to the facts.

Originally Posted by Lord Justice

I am sensible to the facts.

Drive on Trooper!

[Stealhead]

I have to agree with privateer here we tend to forgot or ignore that there have been some pretty bad ass women doing some seriously dangerous things in wars in the past.

I read in a book written by a WWII Red Army junior officer the best part is the section where he tells of the time he was attached to a unit that had all female snipers.He said that these girls had never been in combat before only training and they had a little bit of trouble at first with killing(an sniper sees their victim personally)So they would try to encourage their protective instinct by having the women think of the Russian soldiers as their children and they had to kill the Germans to protect them that helped them to become better snipers and they had less trouble taking the shot.Then one of the girls slipped and slid down a muddy slope and got shot by a German machine gun after that the killer instinct got unleashed against the Germans.Anyone given the right motivation can be a deadly fighter I mean have you guys seen two(or more) women truly fight? They are much more violent than men I mean it is freaking brutal.

We all have the stereotype about women yet we ignore the stereotype about men as well.I have seen plenty of men fight over the years and what do you often see?They will spend half the time backing away from their foe rather than closing in because they either fear suffering harm or causing harm deep down(why most Armies first teach hand to hand before longer range violence) .I know until I was 13 years old I was a complete push over one day some punk picked me out and I threw a paper back book in his face when he tried to hit me(which stunned him for all of 5 seconds) then he stared to beat my ass and I did nothing to defend myself luckily it was at school and he got stopped.After that day I realized that I had to be willing to fight and use violence if there was no other recourse.So I trained myself by practicing Tae Kwon Do and actually fighting back when my older brother messed with me.A human being is either trained or un-trained in something it does not matter the sex of the person they merely need to have the will(sometimes that is all they need) and some training(of some form of the two you could also call training experience for example a person who learns to fight on the streets)