End of the world

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Funny, I remember my father saying the same thing about me. I also remember him telling me that his father told him the same thing too.

I guess every "older" generation feels that a "younger" generation is going to hell in a handbasket. But somehow we seem to survive.

Just wait until the Generation Z (or what ever letter we are up to) gets to be my age, I bet they will be saying the same thing about the next younger generation (will they start the alphabet all over again?)

Yeah but there will probably time that the next generation will screw it up big time. If deterioration comes in steps, utter destruction won't come until the last one.

To borrow a nation example like Greece, their politicians cared only about re-election and didn't have the vision to build up their economy and relied on debt to appease the voters. Now Greece is paying up their politician decades old mistakes.

Originally Posted by Armistead

Spoken like a true Christian

I wouldn't know about that. Even if that was sarcasm like I said I wouldn't know about that.

What I hear from experience of my own family members and my own are quite disturbing.
For example many people who found their car hit on the road by middle class family car or even above would find that the hitter would deny ever hitting their car despite the obvious. They would say the bent was already there before. They are not exactly too poor to compensate the damage. It's a matter of attitude.

Some nutty people would wave handgun through their car windows when trying to change lane in busy intersection.
A few made it to paper because they actually shot their gun in road rage accident over seemingly trivial things.

There's a trend we here call the land mafia where they harass large land owner using thugs and through court in the hope to blackmail them into giving large sum of money just for them to stop their harassment and disturbing any construction project on the site. This would not work if the judiciary system was clean. The problem is even if you're obviously right the judge would ask for money so he would win you in court. Lowest court asked for the equivalent of 12.000 bucks and if this continues to higher and higher court through appeal you can imagine just how much money will have to be paid so that the court would win your supposedly sure to win case. The police would not do much and even if they are given money as what they asked they simply took the money without fulfilling their responsibility dealing with the thugs and harassment with threats of violence. The only positive side to all this is their victim are bloody rich people not some poor soul.

The difference between Singapore and Indonesia is that in Singapore everything is concentrated/centralized which would make things a million times worse if you're the victim while here everybody can be a scum.


I tell you it's all rotten society here.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Castout

Yeah but there will probably time that the next generation will screw it up big time. If deterioration comes in steps, utter destruction won't come until the last one.

To borrow a nation example like Greece, their politicians care only about re-election and didn't have the vision to build up their economy and relied on debt to appease the voters. Now Greece is paying up their politician decades old mistakes.


I wouldn't know about that. Even if that was sarcasm like I said I wouldn't know about that.

Don't worry there wasn't time in history when people did not chat about end of the world.
The difference is that we have internet and can encourage each other
Some generation some day probably will be last though so keep trying.

BW
If you look back 100 or more years back then maybe people sort of were better Christians but i'm not sure better people.

[Task Force]

want the end of the world? give it afiew hours and the world supply of nuclear warheads.

[Skybird]

A collapsing world means that the hierarchical levels we have created to organise our societies, will break down - in the just the other way around ijn which they have been formed and created. Intercontinental cooperation will go first, then communication . Then travel. Then these things will break down inside continents. Regional pacts b etween nations will break down next. Finally, the collapse reaches the national level. Governments disappear, law and order disappear. Cities will become anarchic zones, energy and supply systems will break down. Finally, people will get together in small bands, gangs and family clans maybe, and none of these groups will care much for anything that is beyond its immediate needs of survival.

Biologically, our gegens will survive, somehow. End of the world means: the collapse of communal and social and organisational levels of modern societies. And the higher devekoped these socieites are, regharding hightech and dependence on external supply, the more vulnerable they are, and the higher the altitude from which they fall.

However, a breakldown of thios scale will cost hundreds of millions their lives as well, especially in the third world and all parts of the world where they depend on external aid, disaster relief, and are exposed to natural disaster like hige floodings. at the same time, the more "barbaric" people will have an advantage over the civilised to adapt to the new anarchy and the needs of fighting for survival. Those civilised people surviving this, will lose their civilisational standard pretty quickly. Totalitarian group structures will raise and dominate the social organisation.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A collapsing world means that the hierarchical levels we have created to organise our societies, will break down - in the just the other way around ijn which they have been formed and created. Intercontinental cooperation will go first, then communication . Then travel. Then these things will break down inside continents. Regional pacts b etween nations will break down next. Finally, the collapse reaches the national level. Governments disappear, law and order disappear. Cities will become anarchic zones, energy and supply systems will break down. Finally, people will get together in small bands, gangs and family clans maybe, and none of these groups will care much for anything that is beyond its immediate needs of survival.

Biologically, our gegens will survive, somehow. End of the world means: the collapse of communal and social and organisational levels of modern societies. And the higher devekoped these socieites are, regharding hightech and dependence on external supply, the more vulnerable they are, and the higher the altitude from which they fall.

However, a breakldown of thios scale will cost hundreds of millions their lives as well, especially in the third world and all parts of the world where they depend on external aid, disaster relief, and are exposed to natural disaster like hige floodings. at the same time, the more "barbaric" people will have an advantage over the civilised to adapt to the new anarchy and the needs of fighting for survival. Those civilised people surviving this, will lose their civilisational standard pretty quickly. Totalitarian group structures will raise and dominate the social organisation.

Thank you skybird, you wrote those words I was looking for.

End of the world, doesn't mean that the human race are being totally wiped out.

In my country we have to words-while you only have one

The planet we live on we call that "Jorden"(the earth)
and our infrastructur a.s.o we call "världen/verden"(the world)

This can be funny in a way

Last time some predictet that the world was coming to an end(21/5-11) the journalist in our country made a translations error

the wrote in swedish "Jorden går under" directly translatet the earth is going under. Maybe those people didn't know about this english word "world"

And the earth is NOT going under for billions of years.

Markus

[Castout]

Well everybody has their end of the world scenario.

To the wealthy it's probably just them being broke.

To others it's the end of structured society.

But it's more likely in the event of major disaster that the planet would survive but mankind will not than the opposite.

If not death will come to each of us in time no question about it. When that happens what happen to the world afterward is inconsequential to us.

[yubba]

It comes when 3 year olds have to have a permit to sell lemonade, and the U.S. government sells weapons to drug lords without one.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by yubba

It comes when 3 year olds have to have a permit to sell lemonade, and the U.S. government sells weapons to drug lords without one.

Yeah, that laughter you're hearing? It's bitter laughter, because this is closer to true than any of us would like.

[Paul Riley]

Some good stuff here folks,keep it pumping in
@Oberon,#i enjoyed your post,and its all bloody true,something MUST and WILL give,peoples patience for one.

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Can't deny it, there have been a lot of earthquakes lately. Heck, there was one off Portsmouth the other day, small one but the first since the 1800s.

I don't think it's some kind of giant buildup to doomsday though, and even if it is, all it will mean is the destruction of a lot of humanity, which is...in the long term...not such a bad thing.

You see, if current trends continue then we are heading for our own doomsday scenario anyway, just as inevitably as night follows day. Most of us here will not see it but we can already see the beginnings of it. Food prices are rising and so is the population, some people are living longer, death rates in LEDCs are decreasing from their rates of say seventy years ago. Oil is being pumped out of the ground at increasing rates as we scramble to find more drilling sites. Eventually it's going to run out, that much is a certainty.

Now, unless someone discovers a way of making fuel and food from nothing for a low price within the next twenty or thirty years, then things are going to start getting ugly, not just between classes (the have and have nots) but also between countries, over food, water and fuel. Some people might argue that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the current campaign in Libya is directly motivated by oil, thus ticking that box.
Eventually there will be a crunch period where we do not produce enough food or water to feed the population, this has already occurred in some countries, Somalia for one, through natural events, and the inhabitants of the Kenyan/Somalian border will tell you that it's having a big effect on their lives, however some aid is able to be given because other nations have food surplus that they are able to donate...now imagine what would happen if there was now food surplus, that charity began at home and aid agencies found themselves increasingly underfunded in terms of money and food donations? Famine on a scale not seen in modern times, LEDCs descending into tribal chaos as they raid neighbouring countries for their food and water. Will this extend upwards? Will MEDCs have to put population controls in place to lower birth rates? Will voluntary euthanasia of the elderly become more common? Attitudes towards life and death will change because they will have to change, but of course, naturally, the rich will reap the benefits of the suffering of the poor...and in some countries this will result in uprisings and civil war, stricter governments will be necessary to enforce unpopular measures, democracy will be a thing for the rich, the poor will just have to get on with their lives with what increasingly little they have.

Now, I could be wrong with that trend extending upwards. It could be that the resumption of high death rates in LEDCs will balance out the longer lifespans in MEDCs, or alternatively a disease could come along and solve the problem naturally, the planet has a habit of doing things like that. Certainly the poor in most MEDCs are better off now than they were a century ago, however our drain on resources is a hundred times greater now than it was a century ago, and our living standards depend on that resource drain, for electricity for our computers, for oil for our plastics, for cheap water for our drinks and bathing. Such drains cannot continue indefinitely from a finite resource, that much is certain, so something will have to give, however I am no soothsayer, I cannot be sure exactly what it is that will give.

Of course, going back to diseases, now that it is a smaller world in terms of transportation and migration, then yes we are going to see an increase of disease, perhaps even to the extent of a new pandemic, however one has to consider that since the bird and swine flu outbreaks of recent years, most governments have become quite acutely aware of the weaknesses of their designs, and with any luck will become a bit more like the President of Madagascar in terms of disease control (SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING).

Wow,there was a tremor off Ports?,must have been so small a report was never made.
After all,Britain is quite a seismically active island,albeit they are only minute tremors,but once every 20 years or so it would be safe to assume we could experience a mag 6 quake,according to the Nat-Geo survey.
I'll never forget the 5.6? we had about 3 yrs or so ago,some chimneys in Manchester fell off and here in Sheffield small cracks in the plaster were seen in some peoples homes,admittedly most of these dwellings were quite old,at least 100yrs.

[joea]

This thread is disgusting, it's like some of you want the world to end and millions to die.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by joea

This thread is disgusting, it's like some of you want the world to end and millions to die.

Where did you get that idea?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by joea

This thread is disgusting, it's like some of you want the world to end and millions to die.

Good lord no, well...I don't anyway. I hope that some clever sod somewhere will sort out the energy, food and water problems and we'll have a utopian future where we can live together with each other and the other creatures of this planet in peace. However I do not know if mankind as a whole is capable of such a future at this stage, it's getting there but at the moment we're still too engrossed in our own personal future and finances from top to bottom with a few exceptions.

Perhaps it'll all turn out alright, or perhaps it won't. There's not a great deal I can about it at the bottom of the food chain.

Yeah, the quake made the BBC news, 3.9 so quite big for the UK:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14153116

[Castout]

Frankly speaking mankind has survived this far because we(nations) didn't have to fight hard over resources.

Now with climate change, depletion of oil which is the basis of the world economy(industry/wealth) and military plus the explosion of population we may in the not so distant future forced into war over resources even as simple as fresh water or basic food supply.

Intellectually mankind has been evolving to higher and higher level but this is not balanced with spiritual growth. So you've got a mix of an adult muscle with a 10 year old equivalent emotional and spiritual maturity. Somebody is bound to fck up somewhere sometime and fck up big and get the majority of the world population into some big problem. It's just a matter of time with a climate of desperation and uncontrolled greed and selfishness to accelerate its eventuality. Hitler did it, Japanese empire took their chances and there will be others. People will forget how bad war is.

Of course this is just my personal view.