McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How different the comments in this thread would be if someone had slipped an Obama campaign message into those paychecks. It'd be all sorts of righteous outrage and screams of "indoctrination!"

QFT.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Not the same thing.

For it to be a valid threat the employer would have to know how the employee voted. Unless the entire district votes the same way this is just not possible.

No, for a coercion it is enough to try to raise an intimidation even on the basis of false claims or illusive threats. What you describe is already proven "assault".

Like attempted murder still is attempted murder ev en if the assault has not beenj successfully carried out. Or fraudery basing on trying to sell something that does not exist to somebody, remains to be fraudery nevertheless, no matter wshether the intended victim knows it from start on, or not.

In cases like this, the intention is what counts. Which is weikhted so heavily that courts can sentence the perpetrator even if he was unsuccessful and no material damage has been done.

Let's not twist and distort a very simple and very obvious story here. We all know very well what has been tried by McDonalds here. Shame on them.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How different the comments in this thread would be if someone had slipped an Obama campaign message into those paychecks. It'd be all sorts of righteous outrage and screams of "indoctrination!"

Yeah just like you are always complaining when the unions do the exact same thing.... oh wait, you never do that. Apparently you think when the leftist unions do it it's just fine and dandy.


From the article:

The pamphlet said: “If the right people are elected, we will be able to continue with raises and benefits at or above the current levels. If others are elected, we will not.” It then named three Republican candidates after stating, “The following candidates are the ones we believe will help our business move forward.”

Note that not once do they tell anyone that "you must vote for XXX or else".


Now viewed in light of your lack of history in complaining about similar union activities I have to doubt your objectivity here.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah just like you are always complaining when the unions do the exact same thing.... oh wait, you never do that. Apparently you think when the leftist unions do it it's just fine and dandy.


From the article:


Note that not once do they tell anyone that "you must vote for XXX or else".


Now viewed in light of your lack of history in complaining about similar union activities I have to doubt your objectivity here.

I've never been in a union. Haven't heard stories about it happening. Can't complain about it then, now can I?

Interesting how Meo has been in a union and he never saw it happen.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Let's not twist and distort a very simple and very obvious story here. We all know very well what has been tried by McDonalds here. Shame on them.

And lets not make mountains out of molehills out of every obvious story either.

When these people loose their jobs or have their wages frozen because the Democrats that were elected force that sorry situation upon businesses, will it also be "shame on them" for not warning their employees?

Nobody was told who to vote for.

Unions have been doing this exact same thing for years. So my question to Mookie goes to you as well. Why haven't you complained when they did it?
They are still doing it! Where is your outrage for their actions? Is it only when it favors the Republicans that you have a problem with the practice?

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I've never been in a union. Haven't heard stories about it happening. Can't complain about it then, now can I?

Interesting how Meo has been in a union and he never saw it happen.

You mean to seriously tell me that you've never seen a union endorse a candidate?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

You mean to seriously tell me that you've never seen a union endorse a candidate?

You're deliberately confusing the issue. A union endorsement is not the same thing as this situation.

If my employer told me who to vote for (either way) using threats, I'd tell them to blow it out their behind. It's none of their business.

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You're deliberately confusing the issue. A union endorsement is not the same thing as this situation.

If my employer told me who to vote for (either way) using threats, I'd tell them to blow it out their behind. It's none of their business.

That's your right. It's their right to speak their mond, too.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Interesting how Meo has been in a union and he never saw it happen.

It's true, maybe because I don't live in the U.S.

I mean, here, media and unions surely have preference in politics but they are a lot more subtle (not like Fox News..)

We already had few union assembly and it have always been about work, I never heard anything about politics or never saw any pampflet.

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Edit: Anyway, where I live, the political struggle is more about Separatists vs Federalists than Right vs Left.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Méo

It's true, maybe because I don't live in the U.S.

I mean, here, media and unions surely have preference in politics but they are a lot more subtle (not like Fox News..)

We already had few union assembly and it have always been about work, I never heard anything about politics or never saw any pampflet.

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Edit: Anyway, where I live, the political struggle is more about Separatists vs Federalists than Right vs Left.

Actually, independent studies of news media in the US show fox's NEWS to be only slightly right of center. Next was National Public Radio (slightly left), and all the other news media was much farther left than fox is right. All claim to be completely unbiased, all farther off center than fox except one (NPR). All in one direction except fox, too. Zero other mass media with any "right" bias at all. But fox must be stopped! LOL.

The single largest financial contributor in this election cycle is the AFL-CIO (union).

One, local Mickey D's franchise must be shut up, though, for telling it like it is to their employees!

Note to small business people: don't say anything about it, but if you need to lay people off (within the same productivity levels of employees—I'd not can a better worker), dump the ones with Obama stickers on the car first

[the_tyrant]

The pamphlet said: “If the right people are elected, we will be able to continue with raises and benefits at or above the current levels. If others are elected, we will not.”

I think that this pamphlet simply encouraged people to vote for who they thought was best

It then named three Republican candidates after stating, “The following candidates are the ones we believe will help our business move forward.”

and this simply said who the boss thought was best

Come on, it could have been worse

[Méo]

Originally Posted by tater

Actually, independent studies of news media in the US show fox's NEWS to be only slightly right of center. Next was National Public Radio (slightly left), and all the other news media was much farther left than fox is right. All claim to be completely unbiased, all farther off center than fox except one (NPR). All in one direction except fox, too. Zero other mass media with any "right" bias at all. But fox must be stopped! LOL.

Quite surprising to say the least.

...can't say more, must go to work.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Méo

Quite surprising to say the least.

...can't say more, must go to work.

They used a metric to measure the news shows that is also used to rank congressional candidates (note they only examined news shows, not shows that were explicitly opinion (so no O'Reiley, Hannity, Olbermann, etc). Just the straight news.

Anyone who has seen US news (or heard it in the case of NPR), would have no trouble believing the results. Fox is right, the rest are all left, some much farther than others.

Other stats show that the large majority of reporters are personally "left" so again, it's unsurprising.

[razark]

Originally Posted by tater

Actually, independent studies of news media in the US show fox's NEWS to be only slightly right of center. Next was National Public Radio (slightly left), and all the other news media was much farther left than fox is right.

I've seen that mentioned several time recently, but I keep forgetting to look into that. Does anyone have a link handy to any of these studies?

[tater]

Originally Posted by razark

I've seen that mentioned several time recently, but I keep forgetting to look into that. Does anyone have a link handy to any of these studies?

Was a university study before the 2008 election. I think in CA.

The polling of reporters was a similar time frame (over 80% self-IDed left of center I think) (certainly true for the people I know at NPR and the NYT).