McDonald’s Workers Are Told Whom to Vote for

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

How different the comments in this thread would be if someone had slipped an Obama campaign message into those paychecks. It'd be all sorts of righteous outrage and screams of "indoctrination!"

Yeah just like you are always complaining when the unions do the exact same thing.... oh wait, you never do that. Apparently you think when the leftist unions do it it's just fine and dandy.


From the article:

The pamphlet said: “If the right people are elected, we will be able to continue with raises and benefits at or above the current levels. If others are elected, we will not.” It then named three Republican candidates after stating, “The following candidates are the ones we believe will help our business move forward.”

Note that not once do they tell anyone that "you must vote for XXX or else".


Now viewed in light of your lack of history in complaining about similar union activities I have to doubt your objectivity here.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Yeah just like you are always complaining when the unions do the exact same thing.... oh wait, you never do that. Apparently you think when the leftist unions do it it's just fine and dandy.


From the article:


Note that not once do they tell anyone that "you must vote for XXX or else".


Now viewed in light of your lack of history in complaining about similar union activities I have to doubt your objectivity here.

I've never been in a union. Haven't heard stories about it happening. Can't complain about it then, now can I?

Interesting how Meo has been in a union and he never saw it happen.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I've never been in a union. Haven't heard stories about it happening. Can't complain about it then, now can I?

Interesting how Meo has been in a union and he never saw it happen.

You mean to seriously tell me that you've never seen a union endorse a candidate?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

You mean to seriously tell me that you've never seen a union endorse a candidate?

You're deliberately confusing the issue. A union endorsement is not the same thing as this situation.

If my employer told me who to vote for (either way) using threats, I'd tell them to blow it out their behind. It's none of their business.

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You're deliberately confusing the issue. A union endorsement is not the same thing as this situation.

If my employer told me who to vote for (either way) using threats, I'd tell them to blow it out their behind. It's none of their business.

That's your right. It's their right to speak their mond, too.

[Skybird]

Said the guy at court who was sued for rape: "I did not coerce or demand her to get naked and lie down with me when showing her that knife of mine. Nobody can prove that I meant that knife to be a threat to her. I only suggested to her that lying down with me is an option available to her. It's a free country and I just spoke my mind. She then got undressed all by herself, I never told her to do so."

Translates into: "I did not coerce or demand employees of mine to not vote for that wrong party but for the right one, when waving with their paycheques in my hand and telling them they may face financial cuts if they don't do the "right" thing. I only suggested to them that they are free to make that choice of marking their ballots where I want them to mark them. I just spoke my mind."

Some of you guys just erect a smoke screen. You could as well argue that advertisement is not meant to make people stay with or try a given brand, and that all that money is wasted just for fun, with no return in use and effect.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Translates into: "I did not coerce or demand employees of mine to not vote for that wrong party but for the right one, when waving with their paycheques in my hand and telling them they may face financial cuts if they don't do the "right" thing.

Your rape analogy (talk about smoke screens, sheesh!) just does not jibe with the fact that McDonalds (the "rapist") has absolutely no way of determining whether their employees (the rape victims) are complying with the "suggestion".

Your use of such an innacurate and incendiary analogy like rape just illustrates how weak your argument really is.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Interesting how Meo has been in a union and he never saw it happen.

It's true, maybe because I don't live in the U.S.

I mean, here, media and unions surely have preference in politics but they are a lot more subtle (not like Fox News..)

We already had few union assembly and it have always been about work, I never heard anything about politics or never saw any pampflet.

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Edit: Anyway, where I live, the political struggle is more about Separatists vs Federalists than Right vs Left.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Méo

It's true, maybe because I don't live in the U.S.

I mean, here, media and unions surely have preference in politics but they are a lot more subtle (not like Fox News..)

We already had few union assembly and it have always been about work, I never heard anything about politics or never saw any pampflet.

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Edit: Anyway, where I live, the political struggle is more about Separatists vs Federalists than Right vs Left.

Actually, independent studies of news media in the US show fox's NEWS to be only slightly right of center. Next was National Public Radio (slightly left), and all the other news media was much farther left than fox is right. All claim to be completely unbiased, all farther off center than fox except one (NPR). All in one direction except fox, too. Zero other mass media with any "right" bias at all. But fox must be stopped! LOL.

The single largest financial contributor in this election cycle is the AFL-CIO (union).

One, local Mickey D's franchise must be shut up, though, for telling it like it is to their employees!

Note to small business people: don't say anything about it, but if you need to lay people off (within the same productivity levels of employees—I'd not can a better worker), dump the ones with Obama stickers on the car first

[Méo]

Originally Posted by tater

Actually, independent studies of news media in the US show fox's NEWS to be only slightly right of center. Next was National Public Radio (slightly left), and all the other news media was much farther left than fox is right. All claim to be completely unbiased, all farther off center than fox except one (NPR). All in one direction except fox, too. Zero other mass media with any "right" bias at all. But fox must be stopped! LOL.

Quite surprising to say the least.

...can't say more, must go to work.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Méo

Quite surprising to say the least.

...can't say more, must go to work.

They used a metric to measure the news shows that is also used to rank congressional candidates (note they only examined news shows, not shows that were explicitly opinion (so no O'Reiley, Hannity, Olbermann, etc). Just the straight news.

Anyone who has seen US news (or heard it in the case of NPR), would have no trouble believing the results. Fox is right, the rest are all left, some much farther than others.

Other stats show that the large majority of reporters are personally "left" so again, it's unsurprising.

[Gerald]

And pick up a pay check.....

[gimpy117]

To me It looks like a pretty clear attempt to coerce a response. If it would have been a note saying "oh by the way employees, I like X candidate because of X reason". But instead it's a not telling them if they don't vote republican bad things will happen. That a clear case of holding negative consequences over their employees head to illicit a response. The fact that they can't see the employees votes is moot. They still attempted to use empty threats to change voters habits.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

That a clear case of holding negative consequences over their employees head to illicit a response.

No it's not. What if every single McD employee votes republican like they *suggested* (ie did NOT demand) and the dems still win? It ain't like the McD vote holds much sway in an election.

[razark]

Originally Posted by tater

Actually, independent studies of news media in the US show fox's NEWS to be only slightly right of center. Next was National Public Radio (slightly left), and all the other news media was much farther left than fox is right.

I've seen that mentioned several time recently, but I keep forgetting to look into that. Does anyone have a link handy to any of these studies?