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Nisgeis · 01-31-10, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

What I'm trying to say is that all the DRM drama seems to take too much magnitude, IMO. Espacially when someone link this with his personal life by saying ''these dark times''.

I think you are ever so slightly too fixated on this 'someone'. The 'DRM relates to my personal mental health' theme is not something that I have seen on subsim and I don't believe it is a cause for concern. I don't think we need to worry about this any more.

Those who defend DRM vehemently don't seem to realise that they are just as vitriolic as the critics. Still, let's all move on, eh?

ME$$ENGER · 01-31-10, 06:56 PM

I think I speak for everyone in saying that discussing about DRM does not imply we don't have a life. And like HundertzehnGustav said, it's in every way a very relevant topic and has broad implications outside of the gaming industry.

martes86 · 01-31-10, 06:57 PM

I only talk about airsoft or gaming with people that have the same hobbies as me. I wouldn't dare talk about it with my average pal, as they'd probably fall asleep or leave on the excuse they have stuff to do, unless, of course, the issue comes up in a conversation in which I can bring it up. Otherwise, nope, we just talk about the weather, football (soccer in the US), work, girls, and porn.

theluckyone17 · 01-31-10, 07:06 PM

I talked to my wife about it... showed her the Das DRM videos. She understood, and understood why I'm upset at OSP.

I talked to a coworker, who didn't get it at first... then he went "Dude, so it's like spending $50 on a game, then having them say you can't play it? I'd be *PISSED*."

I have no problem speaking in public about it. Granted, there's bigger worries in the world today, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't mention it.

Paajtor · 01-31-10, 07:09 PM

I like to look at it this way: if this DRM means part of my purchase is kept on their servers, then I bought that HD-space.
Makes me a shareholder.

So...power to the people!
That's an interesting subject amongst friends.

artao · 01-31-10, 07:15 PM

I have talked about it, in public, to several non-gamer friends, and once I explained what was going on they agreed that it was ridiculous. I've also posted about it on my facebook page, pretty public I'd say. Yes, right now this is a games issue, but it could set precedent (if it flies) for other software to do the same. It's kinda part of the movement towards cloud-computing. Hey, it's fine for some folks, that's cool. Not for me. A lot of people will just accept it without knowing the implications, and I feel that if I can educate some folks on that, s'all'good.

It may not be 'dark times' as such, but it is a potentially important issue.

Méo · 01-31-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Meo... what about "dark times for the entire Gaming industry"

Yep, precisely.

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

what about "dark times for privacy"?
what about "big brother is watching you"?

But that is still to be proved.

Paajtor · 01-31-10, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by artao

the movement towards cloud-computing.
....
A lot of people will just accept it without knowing the implications.

I know what u mean about cloud-computing...it looks like a logical consequence, in the not-to-distant future.
But to make that work for everyone, we need to fight poverty.
Plus that the rules of privacy may have to be rewritten.

Rosencrantz · 01-31-10, 07:23 PM

I was just thinking, why this sudden flow of clearly hostile "Get-a-Life" messages to my mobil from friends and even from Mom... But I think I might be getting slowly on the map again...

-RC-

HundertzehnGustav · 01-31-10, 07:28 PM

same here.
i need to find a remedy for my earlier post, top of the page.

but as a geek/nerd, that is a difficult task...

Eightbit · 01-31-10, 07:35 PM

of course I would. People need to know what they are getting with things. Drm is a pretty big deal when your buying a product. Especially when you get slammed with no options for returning the product etc.

As for drama well I hate to beat on the suicide issue but really. Someone is always worse off and has experienced worse. Its not a competition and some things may seem trivial now but that doesn't mean they should be expelled from criticism or other discussion.

Méo · 01-31-10, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

I was just thinking, why this sudden flow of clearly hostile "Get-a-Life" messages

To everyone:

Don't get me wrong this wasn't a ''Get-a-Life'' message thread.

What I really meant is that, if some talk with their entourage about DRM with the same level of anger and exasperation than they talk about it here, then maybe it's gonna be what people around them will think: Get a life!

Méo · 01-31-10, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

same here.
i need to find a remedy for my earlier post, top of the page.

but as a geek/nerd, that is a difficult task...

Don't worry, you're not the only one!

But when a girl hurts you so badly, it's kinda of hard to be back on our feet.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-31-10, 08:42 PM

hmm well no one I know in real life plays SH so only on here.

However, if I was back in college in my Economics classes etc and this discussion would fit, I would bring up it up in general terms, would spark a great discussion.I do recall discussions related in some ways to the current DRM debacle.

Sure you can blow this off as a silly squabble over the game but if you look deep, you see its about freedom of choice when it comes to a product one spends their money on and the ability to use it as he sees fit and a company's greed because piracy argument is a cop out, something to think about.

ryanglavin · 01-31-10, 08:57 PM

Lets just hope when they knock off DRM they don't go back to starforce

*shudders*

01-31-10, 07:09 PM	#35
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	I like to look at it this way: if this DRM means part of my purchase is kept on their servers, then I bought that HD-space. Makes me a shareholder. So...power to the people! That's an interesting subject amongst friends. __________________

01-31-10, 07:15 PM	#36
artao Officer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 238 Downloads: 144 Uploads: 0	I have talked about it, in public, to several non-gamer friends, and once I explained what was going on they agreed that it was ridiculous. I've also posted about it on my facebook page, pretty public I'd say. Yes, right now this is a games issue, but it could set precedent (if it flies) for other software to do the same. It's kinda part of the movement towards cloud-computing. Hey, it's fine for some folks, that's cool. Not for me. A lot of people will just accept it without knowing the implications, and I feel that if I can educate some folks on that, s'all'good. It may not be 'dark times' as such, but it is a potentially important issue. __________________ l8r, artao

01-31-10, 07:28 PM	#40
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	same here. i need to find a remedy for my earlier post, top of the page. but as a geek/nerd, that is a difficult task... __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-31-10, 06:56 PM	#32
ME$$ENGER Watch Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 27 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I think I speak for everyone in saying that discussing about DRM does not imply we don't have a life. And like HundertzehnGustav said, it's in every way a very relevant topic and has broad implications outside of the gaming industry.

01-31-10, 06:57 PM	#33
martes86 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Colourful Seville - Spain Posts: 971 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I only talk about airsoft or gaming with people that have the same hobbies as me. I wouldn't dare talk about it with my average pal, as they'd probably fall asleep or leave on the excuse they have stuff to do, unless, of course, the issue comes up in a conversation in which I can bring it up. Otherwise, nope, we just talk about the weather, football (soccer in the US), work, girls, and porn.

01-31-10, 07:06 PM	#34
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	I talked to my wife about it... showed her the Das DRM videos. She understood, and understood why I'm upset at OSP. I talked to a coworker, who didn't get it at first... then he went "Dude, so it's like spending $50 on a game, then having them say you can't play it? I'd be PISSED." I have no problem speaking in public about it. Granted, there's bigger worries in the world today, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't mention it.

01-31-10, 07:23 PM	#39
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	I was just thinking, why this sudden flow of clearly hostile "Get-a-Life" messages to my mobil from friends and even from Mom... But I think I might be getting slowly on the map again... -RC-

01-31-10, 07:35 PM	#41
Eightbit Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	of course I would. People need to know what they are getting with things. Drm is a pretty big deal when your buying a product. Especially when you get slammed with no options for returning the product etc. As for drama well I hate to beat on the suicide issue but really. Someone is always worse off and has experienced worse. Its not a competition and some things may seem trivial now but that doesn't mean they should be expelled from criticism or other discussion.

01-31-10, 08:42 PM	#44
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,102 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	hmm well no one I know in real life plays SH so only on here. However, if I was back in college in my Economics classes etc and this discussion would fit, I would bring up it up in general terms, would spark a great discussion.I do recall discussions related in some ways to the current DRM debacle. Sure you can blow this off as a silly squabble over the game but if you look deep, you see its about freedom of choice when it comes to a product one spends their money on and the ability to use it as he sees fit and a company's greed because piracy argument is a cop out, something to think about.

01-31-10, 08:57 PM	#45
ryanglavin Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Evading that Hunter/Killer Group on my Tail Posts: 584 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Lets just hope when they knock off DRM they don't go back to starforce shudders