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Wolfehunter · 01-14-10, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Apparently you missed Xabbas most excellent reply:

Both sides have their whiners.

Good point.

Neptunus Rex · 01-14-10, 07:20 PM

Must not have paid much attention to the movie. Though they MAY have BEEN Marines, they're former military working for a corporation.

They're called mercenaries I believe.

kiwi_2005 · 01-14-10, 07:25 PM

I thought the marines were cool. That gun ho sgt made the movie - sipping coffee in his helicopter while giving orders. Thats one calm marine!

TarJak · 01-14-10, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

I thought the marines were cool. That gun ho sgt made the movie - sipping coffee in his helicopter while giving orders. Thats one calm marine!

I thought he was trying to look too much like Col. Kilgore from Apocalypse Now.

Terragon · 01-14-10, 10:00 PM

I never liked Hollywood's portrayal of military men, for the most part.

Only a few exceptions, like "Platoon", "Das Boot", or even "Full Metal Jacket" I thought were pretty good. Even "Saving Private Ryan" was - human. A soldier is just a guy trying to do an ugly job. No matter how you spin it, you mention the glory, medals, victory, all that other stuff... It's just not true. I was in the AF for a little bit, and that's not what it was about.

Sure, I wanted to do my duty to my country, but it ended up being close to a group of guys and watching out for one another. Above all, do your job as best as you can.

Platapus · 01-15-10, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Terragon

I never liked Hollywood's portrayal of military men, for the most part.

Enemy Below.

August · 01-15-10, 11:07 PM

Hollywood is by definition all about fantasy but I must admit they have raised the realism bar somewhat in recent years. Not that they could have lowered it any.

Some of my more recent favorites:

We Were Soldiers
Blackhawk Down
When Trumpets Fade
Band of Brothers (the upcoming sequel promises to be as good as the original)
Generation Kill

Catfish · 01-16-10, 06:31 AM

Hello,
only some nitpicking:

" ... Only a few exceptions, like "Platoon", "Das Boot", or even "Full Metal Jacket" I thought were pretty good ..."

I second those were good ones, but "Das Boot" was a german production, NOT Hollywood

"Band of brothers" and "Saving Private Ryan", well while i think those are good entertaining films, there's not too much reality in them. Bit too much propaganda for my taste but entertaining films they are.

Greetings,
Catfish

01-16-10, 09:28 AM

Stalingrad was done fairly well.

Dowly · 01-16-10, 09:30 AM

Ah, Stalingrad was great.

August · 01-16-10, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

"Band of brothers" and "Saving Private Ryan", well while i think those are good entertaining films, there's not too much reality in them. Bit too much propaganda for my taste but entertaining films they are.

Greetings,
Catfish

Propaganda, in Band of Brothers? Where?

Col. Caldwell · 01-16-10, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Propaganda, in Band of Brothers? Where?

Yeah, I haven't seen any in Band of Brothers. That was a pretty realistic miniseries.

01-16-10, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Propaganda, in Band of Brothers? Where?

Well it's all propaganda to an extent, especially the big productions like BoB and Ryan. I guess people can say that they like a certain production over another but it's all subjective.

Even if you were to take a film camera to a real war and film it would still be a slanted view depending on where in the battlefield you are filming and what you are filming etc.

XabbaRus · 01-16-10, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Stalingrad was done fairly well.

Stalingrad is a German film too. Only the Germans could make a great film out of a battle where they got wiped out.

August · 01-16-10, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well it's all propaganda to an extent, especially the big productions like BoB and Ryan. I guess people can say that they like a certain production over another but it's all subjective.

Even if you were to take a film camera to a real war and film it would still be a slanted view depending on where in the battlefield you are filming and what you are filming etc.

OTH, people can point at a pig and call it a duck but that don't make it an accurate identification.

The word "propaganda" implies government involvement and direction with the writing and production, and not just with technical details like what rifle or uniform is correct for the time period being portrayed but rather controlling the storyline itself to generate a particular impression on the countries involved. This does not happen in BoB. The government did not tell Ambrose what to write or Spielberg what to film.

01-14-10, 07:20 PM	#32
Neptunus Rex Frogman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 294 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Must not have paid much attention to the movie. Though they MAY have BEEN Marines, they're former military working for a corporation. They're called mercenaries I believe. __________________ Neptunus Rex sends "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president." A.C. 11-5-08

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	I thought the marines were cool. That gun ho sgt made the movie - sipping coffee in his helicopter while giving orders. Thats one calm marine! __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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Terragon Sailor man Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: A few meters away from the Challenger Deep Posts: 49 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	I never liked Hollywood's portrayal of military men, for the most part. Only a few exceptions, like "Platoon", "Das Boot", or even "Full Metal Jacket" I thought were pretty good. Even "Saving Private Ryan" was - human. A soldier is just a guy trying to do an ugly job. No matter how you spin it, you mention the glory, medals, victory, all that other stuff... It's just not true. I was in the AF for a little bit, and that's not what it was about. Sure, I wanted to do my duty to my country, but it ended up being close to a group of guys and watching out for one another. Above all, do your job as best as you can. __________________ Men may battle over the Atlantic, but the sea belongs to no one... Except the dead.

01-15-10, 11:07 PM	#37
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hollywood is by definition all about fantasy but I must admit they have raised the realism bar somewhat in recent years. Not that they could have lowered it any. Some of my more recent favorites: We Were Soldiers Blackhawk Down When Trumpets Fade Band of Brothers (the upcoming sequel promises to be as good as the original) Generation Kill __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello, only some nitpicking: " ... Only a few exceptions, like "Platoon", "Das Boot", or even "Full Metal Jacket" I thought were pretty good ..." I second those were good ones, but "Das Boot" was a german production, NOT Hollywood "Band of brothers" and "Saving Private Ryan", well while i think those are good entertaining films, there's not too much reality in them. Bit too much propaganda for my taste but entertaining films they are. Greetings, Catfish

01-16-10, 09:28 AM	#39
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Stalingrad was done fairly well.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Ah, Stalingrad was great.