Minute Man - Page 3

SteamWake · 06-29-09, 11:26 AM

Look its really simple. They (NK) are simply testing the resolve and intestinal fortitude of the new administration. Kind of like the school yard bully shaking down the nerd for his lunch money.

Bus as pointed out earlier you cannot overlook the fact that Ill is a raving lunatic with delousions of grandure.

Max2147 · 06-29-09, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Let's not forget the close ties NK has with China. Sphere of influence can be seen as just as important to China as it is to any western nation, and the chance of Cinese participation in any exchange is entirely possible.

That being said, NK is playing a dangerous game. Yes, the US does inform other nations before a missile test is conducted. It is also very well advertised through other sources. I told every one here on Saturday of the scheduled firing. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=153195

This one hour notification by NK could lead to trouble. I know part of it is meant to measure US response to short notice events, but it could go tragically wrong.

China is actually pretty p*ssed off with North Korea right now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8120293.stm

China's biggest worry is the refugee problem. If things get too bad in North Korea, refugees will start streaming over the border into China, and China doesn't want to deal with them.

Max2147 · 06-29-09, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Look its really simple. They (NK) are simply testing the resolve and intestinal fortitude of the new administration. Kind of like the school yard bully shaking down the nerd for his lunch money.

Bus as pointed out earlier you cannot overlook the fact that Ill is a raving lunatic with delousions of grandure.

I think the new administration that North Korea is worried about is their own. Kim is apparently on his last legs, if he's still alive. The powers behind the throne don't want Kim's incapacity or death to be seen as a moment of weakness where somebody could attack.

And if you think that Kim is (was) a raving lunatic, then you join a long list of people that have fallen for his act. He's sane and cunning, but he knows that he'll get a lot more attention from the rest of the world (especially the US) if people think he's insane.

An insane dictator with nuclear weapons is a lot scarier than a cold, calculating dictator with nukes, meaning that the US will theoretically offer a lot better incentives to an insane dictator to give up his nukes than they'd offer to a sane one. That's why Kim puts on his act, and it's been very effective.

AVGWarhawk · 06-29-09, 11:36 AM

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I'm just going to tell you again, boys and girls, in the vain hope you'll sleep more easily and be less disturbed by your febrile imaginations

NK is not going to attack the USA. Repeat: NK is not going to attack the USA. And what's more the US is not going to do any regional-stability-enhancing pre-emptive striking either.

Hey thanks, we got that point a few posts back

Currently we are dicussing why the show of muscle and what is being done, if anything.

BTW, I only get disturbed in my febrile imagination when I'm off my prozac!

AVGWarhawk · 06-29-09, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Max2147

China is actually pretty p*ssed off with North Korea right now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8120293.stm

China's biggest worry is the refugee problem. If things get too bad in North Korea, refugees will start streaming over the border into China, and China doesn't want to deal with them.

Like I was thinking, China can make some waves to handle this aggressivness that NK is expressing.

baggygreen · 06-30-09, 05:59 AM

China will do everything they possibly can to avoid war on the korean peninsula.

NK is their buffer state between the western powers (the US foothold in SK) and China itself. Much like Russia used Eastern Europe and the poms use the channel as a buffer.

The chinese will do anything they can to avoid war because NK will lose, Korea will be reunified under an SK government and suddenly a massive US ally shares a common border with China. They won't view that very well at all. Lets face it, of any major conflict possible in the next 30 years or so, the chinese and US facing off is right up there in terms of probability.

The time to worry is when China begins putting lots of public pressure on NK. They'll do it pretty well only because they're trying to shame NK into abandoning its path.

SUBMAN1 · 07-01-09, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

He's got a very well-developed sense of self-interest and self-preservation. Launching a missile at anyone doesn't mesh well with that.

Oh, and you know this how? A dying man in control of a nuclear arsenal is not typically the most rational man on the planet.

-S

Max2147 · 07-01-09, 12:19 PM

Any regime that survives as long as the North Korean regime in such a hostile environment has to have a VERY good sense of self-preservation. If Kim were as insane as some people here think he is, his regime would have fallen within months.

As awful as Kim and co. may be, they are seriously good when it comes to their main priority - staying in power.

06-29-09, 11:26 AM	#31
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Look its really simple. They (NK) are simply testing the resolve and intestinal fortitude of the new administration. Kind of like the school yard bully shaking down the nerd for his lunch money. Bus as pointed out earlier you cannot overlook the fact that Ill is a raving lunatic with delousions of grandure. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

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baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	China will do everything they possibly can to avoid war on the korean peninsula. NK is their buffer state between the western powers (the US foothold in SK) and China itself. Much like Russia used Eastern Europe and the poms use the channel as a buffer. The chinese will do anything they can to avoid war because NK will lose, Korea will be reunified under an SK government and suddenly a massive US ally shares a common border with China. They won't view that very well at all. Lets face it, of any major conflict possible in the next 30 years or so, the chinese and US facing off is right up there in terms of probability. The time to worry is when China begins putting lots of public pressure on NK. They'll do it pretty well only because they're trying to shame NK into abandoning its path.

07-01-09, 12:19 PM	#38
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Any regime that survives as long as the North Korean regime in such a hostile environment has to have a VERY good sense of self-preservation. If Kim were as insane as some people here think he is, his regime would have fallen within months. As awful as Kim and co. may be, they are seriously good when it comes to their main priority - staying in power.