House passes measure expanding gun rights - Page 3

Enigma · 05-23-09, 01:55 PM

Ok Sub, explain to me why my posts, which merely mentioned restrictions on assault weapons in passing, means I have to go dig up all the statistics, reports, etc etc? My posts have to do with terminology, and pigeon holing of ideas. How does this make me ignorant of the facts, or not telling the whole story on assault weapons? I'm not trying to convince anyone of my views on assault weapons anywhere on this thread. So, do tell, what the hell are you whining about?

SUBMAN1 · 05-23-09, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

Ok Sub, explain to me why my posts, which merely mentioned restrictions on assault weapons in passing, means I have to go dig up all the statistics, reports, etc etc? My posts have to do with terminology, and pigeon holing of ideas. How does this make me ignorant of the facts, or not telling the whole story on assault weapons? I'm not trying to convince anyone of my views on assault weapons anywhere on this thread. So, do tell, what the hell are you whining about?

That's the point. Why are you targeting Assault weapons or Sporting rifles in your posts? Why did you bring them up? A lot of posts spun off your idea. Probably up to 4 or 5. That is why I wrote the above post.

Why are we banning anything? Do people realize tank guns exist in peoples arsenals? Can't recall ever hearing of one being used for a crime, but those are banned to.

Final point is, there should be no weapons bans as you suggest. As we have already seen, they just aren't practical to use to rob ones local grocery store or to mug you in the park. Crud, they aren't even practical for your local hitman!

The idea of banning just gets under my nerves. Give me a valid reason and maybe. I'm still waiting for one.

-S

PS. BB. Need to go mow the lawn. Wife put some damn stuff on it that turns it into a forest in less than a week!

That stuff needs to be banned!

Kapitan_Phillips · 05-23-09, 02:16 PM

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PS. BB. Need to go mow the lawn. Wife put some damn stuff on it that turns it into a forest in less than a week!

That stuff needs to be banned!

Dont you have napalm for home defense too?

CaptainHaplo · 05-23-09, 02:25 PM

As a presidential candidate - I support Gun Control.

Its called:

"One Shot - One Kill"

Is there any better way?

Platapus · 05-23-09, 02:56 PM

As a gun owner I fully support gun control

Weaver stance
Good sight picture
Breath control
Gentle pressure on trigger

Gun control is essential!

Kapitan_Phillips · 05-23-09, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

on paper perhaps.

but if the __________ Army lands troops on U.S. soil I'm going to be there along with every other gun owner i know.

As far as I know, no-one has the capability or desire to invade America. If I recall correctly, the closest anyone has ever got since the 1800's was the Aleutian Islands by the Japanese.

Perhaps the biggest enemy of America is the Americans within it.

Platapus · 05-23-09, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Perhaps the biggest enemy of America is the Americans within it.

We have met the enemy and he is us? - Walt Kelly

SUBMAN1 · 05-23-09, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Dont you have napalm for home defense too?

Thats just jello gas right? I guess I could make some but the wife would use it on me for destroying the lawn!

SUBMAN1 · 05-23-09, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

As far as I know, no-one has the capability or desire to invade America. If I recall correctly, the closest anyone has ever got since the 1800's was the Aleutian Islands by the Japanese.

Perhaps the biggest enemy of America is the Americans within it.

The politically correct ones. That is the biggest enemy to Western civ there is.

-S

Highbury · 05-23-09, 08:27 PM

I own guns and I am not anti-gun at all.

That said, my 4 year old knows beyond a doubt that no foreign power will invade the US. He is a smart kid but a moron could figure that out. The real underlying reason for all of these people wanting assault weapons whether they admit it or not, is they are cool. Many things are cool, but I don't think the public at large should have access.

Trust me, National Defense does not rely on you and your buddies. There is no justifiable need for assault weapons.. and as for walking around with concealed firearms.... I already have a penis between my legs, don't need one on my hip or under my coat. Self defense you say? How often have you guys that pack been in a gun fight to protect hearth and home? uh huh.....

Platapus · 05-23-09, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Highbury

How often have you guys that pack been in a gun fight to protect hearth and home? uh huh.....

well one time when I was not carrying, I came home and interrupted a young man helping himself to my belonging. He was carrying though.

I was very fortunate that he was not interested in killing me (this was 28 years ago) I don't know how criminals are these days.

Is that "uh huh" enough?

GoldenRivet · 05-23-09, 09:23 PM

it only takes once.

i know a man who has a Concealed handgun permit who is a very good friend of mine... he is a 67-68 year old Vietnam veteran and has been forced to draw his .45 on three occasions.

each occasion resulted in a peaceful outcome (the would be robbers/muggers running away)

you dont have to be in a movie scene like shoot out once a month to justify carrying a hand gun... it only takes needing that pistol ONCE to justify it permanently.

Highbury · 05-23-09, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

well one time when I was not carrying, I came home and interrupted a young man helping himself to my belonging. He was carrying though.

I was very fortunate that he was not interested in killing me (this was 28 years ago) I don't know how criminals are these days.

Is that "uh huh" enough?

LOL, ok so let me get this straight. He had a gun, you didn't, there was no shooting. If you had been armed do you think it would have ended the same? No, probably not. it is pretty likely that in a standoff between two armed men one of you would have been shot, probably killed. So your lack of a gun helped it end in a peaceful outcome.

Also, for the price of a nice firearm you could get a year or more of monitored security for your home, and he would not have been in there anyways. And again, nobody gets shot.

But if you feel that a firefight would have been a better resolution then oh well.. have fun at Nascar.

GoldenRivet · 05-24-09, 12:37 AM

highbury... its that attitude that gives us something called "repeat offenders"

they get off with a slap on the wrist, they might serve a year or two in prison, and they get out early and go back to the same raping, stealing and murdering...

i dont like "repeat offenders"

i like "dead offenders"

peaceful outcome be damned... if i walk into my home and there is a robber or child molester or rapist in my house - the "justice system" will be the very least of his worries.

sorry, but these sh*t heads should be laying on the cold concrete in a clotted pile of their own gray matter.... if you think that having a living criminal commit 100 crimes is better than a dead criminal committing one... have fun at the ballet

SUBMAN1 · 05-24-09, 01:34 AM

Highbury is one of those people we label as a victim. A victim does not like people who are capable of defended themselves. Its a psychological condition that if you take away the ability to be a victim, then they lose their identity. You will not be able to overcome this, so don't bother responding.

-S

05-23-09, 01:55 PM	#31
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Ok Sub, explain to me why my posts, which merely mentioned restrictions on assault weapons in passing, means I have to go dig up all the statistics, reports, etc etc? My posts have to do with terminology, and pigeon holing of ideas. How does this make me ignorant of the facts, or not telling the whole story on assault weapons? I'm not trying to convince anyone of my views on assault weapons anywhere on this thread. So, do tell, what the hell are you whining about? __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

05-23-09, 02:25 PM	#34
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	As a presidential candidate - I support Gun Control. Its called: "One Shot - One Kill" Is there any better way? __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

05-23-09, 02:56 PM	#35
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	As a gun owner I fully support gun control Weaver stance Good sight picture Breath control Gentle pressure on trigger Gun control is essential! __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-23-09, 09:23 PM	#42
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	it only takes once. i know a man who has a Concealed handgun permit who is a very good friend of mine... he is a 67-68 year old Vietnam veteran and has been forced to draw his .45 on three occasions. each occasion resulted in a peaceful outcome (the would be robbers/muggers running away) you dont have to be in a movie scene like shoot out once a month to justify carrying a hand gun... it only takes needing that pistol ONCE to justify it permanently. __________________

05-24-09, 12:37 AM	#44
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	highbury... its that attitude that gives us something called "repeat offenders" they get off with a slap on the wrist, they might serve a year or two in prison, and they get out early and go back to the same raping, stealing and murdering... i dont like "repeat offenders" i like "dead offenders" peaceful outcome be damned... if i walk into my home and there is a robber or child molester or rapist in my house - the "justice system" will be the very least of his worries. sorry, but these sht heads should be laying on the cold concrete in a clotted pile of their own gray matter.... if you think that having a living criminal commit 100 crimes is better than a dead criminal committing one*... have fun at the ballet __________________

05-23-09, 08:27 PM	#40
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	I own guns and I am not anti-gun at all. That said, my 4 year old knows beyond a doubt that no foreign power will invade the US. He is a smart kid but a moron could figure that out. The real underlying reason for all of these people wanting assault weapons whether they admit it or not, is they are cool. Many things are cool, but I don't think the public at large should have access. Trust me, National Defense does not rely on you and your buddies. There is no justifiable need for assault weapons.. and as for walking around with concealed firearms.... I already have a penis between my legs, don't need one on my hip or under my coat. Self defense you say? How often have you guys that pack been in a gun fight to protect hearth and home? uh huh.....

05-24-09, 01:34 AM	#45
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Highbury is one of those people we label as a victim. A victim does not like people who are capable of defended themselves. Its a psychological condition that if you take away the ability to be a victim, then they lose their identity. You will not be able to overcome this, so don't bother responding. -S __________________