Palin and censorship

Von Tonner · 09-06-08, 07:56 AM

If I were a Palin supporter this would really disturb me.

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Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so. According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired.

I see a similarity here with the current investigation on whether Palin abused her official powers - seems she has the same mindset as Bush 'You are either with us, or against us'.

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Emmons got a letter from Palin asking for her resignation. Similar letters went to police chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton and finance director Duane Dvorak. John Cooper, a fifth director, resigned after Palin eliminated his job overseeing the city museum. Palin told the Daily News back then the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor’s job

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/20...es#articleFull

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

Konovalov · 09-06-08, 10:41 AM

Sounds a little like a continuation of the last 8 years. :hmm:

Thomen · 09-06-08, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

Foxtrot · 09-06-08, 11:38 AM

No intention for character assassination but why her grades are holy grail, and can't be disclosed? Is there something fishy about her attending 5 colleges in 6 years?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_124036.html

Kapt Z · 09-06-08, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

The problem lies in "Teach both". They are hardly equal. One is a well established scientific theory, the other is a matter of faith. I want my young daughter to learn how the world works in PUBLIC school and how her soul works in SUNDAY school.

SUBMAN1 · 09-06-08, 12:04 PM

I love it how all the details 'are missing'. Who knows what happened in this exchange? Did it even happen? Grasping for straws.

-S

Wolfehunter · 09-06-08, 12:15 PM

Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her? Seriously are the americans going to put good people into power or just more crooks with crazy extreme ideologies?

SUBMAN1 · 09-06-08, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her? Seriously are the americans going to put good people into power or just more crooks with crazy extreme ideologies?

I don't think you have to worry. Its all the Euro's that are posting all this stuff and they can't vote.

-S

Frame57 · 09-06-08, 12:20 PM

I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm:

Foxtrot · 09-06-08, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her?

I support her because she is hawt. Think about it: McCain dies, Palin becomes ze President of ze United States.

Whole world will be jealous of us.

Von Tonner · 09-06-08, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

No, I have no problem with teaching evolution and creationism in school - in fact I would support it. BUT I have a huge problem with an elected official determining what books I can or not read in the local Library. Back in the days of my countries sordid past one book that comes to mind that was banned was "Black Beauty" - a story as you might know of a horse. But the powers that be saw "Black" equated with beauty and banned it. Is that what you want to see in a VP of the leader of the free world - I hope to god not.

Skybird · 09-06-08, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomen

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yet she has no problem with wanting to reintroduce creationism as a subject in public schools.

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Republican vice-presidential candidate sarah palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://www.thelangreport.com/religio...ght-in-school/

According to your quote, she does not has a problem with teaching evolution either.

I have a problem with somebody who thinks creationism is of that intellectual quality that it should be taught side by side with scientific theopries in public school although the state has a constitutional obligation not to support any religion'S views and interests and to make sure the principle of secularism is obeyed - by all.

UnderseaLcpl · 09-06-08, 02:49 PM

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I have a problem with somebody who thinks creationism is of that intellectual quality that it should be taught side by side with scientific theopries in public school although the state has a constitutional obligation not to support any religion'S views and interests and to make sure the principle of secularism is obeyed - by all.

Is state-sponsored censorship less harmful than state-sponsored endorsement?

I can't disagree with you on this, sky, because of my capitalist perspective. After all, if more people learn things like creationism, the rest have an advantage over them in many respects in a market economy. I'm also a proponent of privatized education. Apples and oranges in that respect.

But I would like you to expound on this a bit if you don't mind. I will play devil's advocate and ask you how you would determine what lessons are acceptable for public schooling, and what criterion you would use. How can you "have a problem" with them and still respect their individual sovereignty?

Once again, not an argument (although you may treat it as such if you wish), I'd just like to hear your perspective.

Tchocky · 09-06-08, 03:07 PM

If this turns out to be true, she'll be dying for some censorship.

http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09...ive-and-mean”/

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“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

I have my doubts, given the anonymous source. We'll see how it turns out.

Digital_Trucker · 09-06-08, 03:39 PM

Congress should pass a law that states that you can't quote someone unless you give their name. I really get sick and tired of anonymous sources. For all we know the "journalists" (and I use the term very loosely) in half the articles (probably more appropriately called stories) could make up whatever they want to make up.

Not saying that's the case here, just b!tching about "journalism" in general.

Edit : I wonder where these "journalists" were when Jesse Jackson was recorded making his racist remarks against Obama?

Oh yeah, this is where they were http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/07...game/#more-582

09-06-08, 10:41 AM	#2
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Sounds a little like a continuation of the last 8 years. :hmm: __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

09-06-08, 11:38 AM	#4
Foxtrot Ensign Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 231 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No intention for character assassination but why her grades are holy grail, and can't be disclosed? Is there something fishy about her attending 5 colleges in 6 years? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_124036.html __________________ And when the plane got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I love it how all the details 'are missing'. Who knows what happened in this exchange? Did it even happen? Grasping for straws. -S __________________

09-06-08, 12:15 PM	#7
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	Please tell me you guys are going to support someone like her? Seriously are the americans going to put good people into power or just more crooks with crazy extreme ideologies? __________________

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Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Congress should pass a law that states that you can't quote someone unless you give their name. I really get sick and tired of anonymous sources. For all we know the "journalists" (and I use the term very loosely) in half the articles (probably more appropriately called stories) could make up whatever they want to make up. Not saying that's the case here, just b!tching about "journalism" in general. Edit : I wonder where these "journalists" were when Jesse Jackson was recorded making his racist remarks against Obama? Oh yeah, this is where they were http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/07...game/#more-582 __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

09-06-08, 12:20 PM	#9
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I grew up here in Kalifornia and never even heard of creationism being taught in school. It was not when i was a kid. At least not in public schools. Maybe this is an issue with Catholic schools but to my knowledge it never has been one in public schools. My kids were never taught it either. Creationsim is a faith based issue and belongs in the faith realm. Anyone here ever been taught this subject in a public school?:hmm: