Interesting 9/11 analysis

[August]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

9/11 is a gift to conspiracy theorists; the reality is that Islamic terrorists were responsible for the attack, just as Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, there were no aliens at Roswell and Neil Armstrong did walk on the Moon!

Way to crush all his beliefs mrbeast!

At least you left him his Elvis reincarnated as a bat baby theory...

:rotfl:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I'm certain that we weren't told the full and honest truth about 9/11, but I'm equally sure that the Bush administration is so thoroughly incompetent as to make their involvement highly unlikely.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by August

Right. Guantanamo bay.

Don't look at me dude. I don't own these secret detention camps?

Originally Posted by August

You just figured this all out by yourself with the help of a few websites and books didja? So where did you get your engineering degree Wolfehunter? And how did you get ahold of evidence that nobody else in the world has?

No engineering degree. I don't possess any more information that anyone can get access too.

Originally Posted by August

Personally I think you are either:

A. Making fun of the tragic death of 3000 people. (the most likely explanation imo)

I never make fun of people who were murdered.

Originally Posted by August

or

B. So eager to see the US brought down a peg or two that you'd believe the clouds were made of cotton candy if that would be considered George Bush's fault.

No. I would like to see the USA for its people land of the free. Not a fascist like state. (Bush is a pawn nothing more. His purpose is to direct the anger from the real people in power.)

People need to know the truth for or against the issues at hand to have critical arguments. The risk of having a democracy is that there are bad elements who could abuse this info and hurt the people. Those are risks of free societies.

[joea]

Originally Posted by joea

So what happened to Flight 77?


BTW Zeitgeist is one of the worst films I've seen in terms of history and Alex Jones is a fraud.

One of those annoying little questions...btw I recommend people read Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.

Shows how to apply the BS detector.

[August]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

People need to know the truth for or against the issues at hand to have critical arguments.

We know the truth:

19 members of the terrorist group Al Quaeda hijacked four civilian airliners filled with innocent people and flew three of them into buildings packed with more civilians, resulting in huge amounts of death and destruction. The passengers of the fourth airliner, having gotten word of their intended fate via cell phone calls from loved ones, chose to fight back instead, causing the aircraft to crash into a Pennsylvania field but undoubtedly saving the lives of hundreds if not thousands of people on the ground at the hijackers intended target.

Those are the facts of what happened on the 11th of September 2001 and no foolish conspiracy theory is going to change it.

[TDK1044]

The design of the buildings doomed them. They were each struck by fast moving, large commercial planes filled with plenty of gas.

The conspiricy nonsense is just that.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by August

We know the truth:

19 members of the terrorist group Al Quaeda hijacked four civilian airliners filled with innocent people and flew three of them into buildings packed with more civilians, resulting in huge amounts of death and destruction. The passengers of the fourth airliner, having gotten word of their intended fate via cell phone calls from loved ones, chose to fight back instead, causing the aircraft to crash into a Pennsylvania field but undoubtedly saving the lives of hundreds if not thousands of people on the ground at the hijackers intended target.

Those are the facts of what happened on the 9th of September 2001 and no foolish conspiracy theory is going to change it.

Your only hearing the truth they think you need to know. Same ones who screwed up in protecting you and same ones who are hiding info today. Why? If there so right why hold back on some details?

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

The design of the buildings doomed them. They were each struck by fast moving, large commercial planes filled with plenty of gas.

The conspiricy nonsense is just that.

Some sources on the building stucture. Alot of stuff out there.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html

[August]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Your only hearing the truth they think you need to know. Same ones who screwed up in protecting you and same ones who are hiding info today. Why? If there so right why hold back on some details?

What details? The ones you made up, or misconstrued to fit your conspiracy theories? While you're listing them also please explain the motivation for our own government (or Israeli saboteurs, or space aliens) to do this.

The single most glaring omission behind all of these conspiracy theories is motive.

[Takeda Shingen]

Maybe we should merge this one with the Freemasons thread. The truth is out there.

[TDK1044]

Facts are always more boring than contrived theories. There seems to be a human need to construct conspiracy theories about significant events in history. It's always the boring old facts that win out though.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by August

What details? The ones you made up, or misconstrued to fit your conspiracy theories? While you're listing them also please explain the motivation for our own government (or Israeli saboteurs, or space aliens) to do this.

The single most glaring omission behind all of these conspiracy theories is motive.

I didn't make this stuff up. I read this stuff and hear this stuff from other sources. I didn't pick side yet. But I'm favouring the theorist groups based on the information available. If your government is so right then show the evidence to prove the Theorist hippies wrong. Untill then they're hiding info. So conclusion at the moment shows these X-file fanatics are on the right side.

Why is your government a target? They're the controling factor to a "nation built on freedom" in the world. The example that other nations should respect and hopefully follow.

Now your government is rewritting your nation on a different ideology.

This example is being watched by other nations and will follow and learn from your mistakes. Not in a positive way.


Motivations? Theres alot. A few that seem reasonable is money power and control.

Money = world economic domination for a small select group of greedy people.

Power = This group could manipulate Governments and there military plus citizens also industry.

Control = Government then can eliminate human rights, people, Constitutions etc for the purpose of slaving the population. Tactics are fear, propaganda, force and more. This keeps people disoriented, no belief, weak.

These look like good reasons. Small chance of a revolution if people are influenced by powers to be.

I could have added a hell of alot more but I don't feel like writing a thesis on this.

August pls stop trying to put words in my mouth and make me look like the leader of the great alien invasion force to destroy the US. I'm just showing cons against your statments.

Let me ask you this since you didn't answer question before but you seem to expect me to answer your question which I did in respect. Please add your theories. I'm all ears. I should say I'm all eyes in this case.:hmm:

Why is your Government hiding information?

Do you know why?

[August]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

If your government is so right then show the evidence to prove the Theorist hippies wrong. Untill then they're hiding info.

Each and every aspect of the incident has been explained and demonstrated over and over again by experts, people with actual degrees in engineering and related fields, but apparently you'd rather believe internet blog written by some anonymous crackpots.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth but really, how am I supposed to take you seriously when you refuse to believe even the stuff you link to?

Seriously, this is your own link, READ THIS. It's only a FAQ but it blows the conspiracy theories right out of the water.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

[STEED]

Care to note Alex Jones.

Problem is poor old AJ has a hard time separating fact from fiction which results in some sort of hotch botch outcome. After all he is known as the worlds No.1 conspiracy expert.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by August

Each and every aspect of the incident has been explained and demonstrated over and over again by experts, people with actual degrees in engineering and related fields, but apparently you'd rather believe internet blog written by some anonymous crackpots.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth but really, how am I supposed to take you seriously when you refuse to believe even the stuff you link to?

Seriously, this is your own link, READ THIS. It's only a FAQ but it blows the conspiracy theories right out of the water.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Correct. I put that link there as a pro to the discusion. Supporting your argument. Only problem I see with this link to they're facts and I may have missed it is where are there sources? They claim to have 1000's of specialists looking over all kinds of data and evidence. Who are they? Them? Some independents? etc.

To understand something doesn't mean you need a degree. It helps but not required to think. It's a bonus to know the actual science. But if other do know it and show it then you read or view pro's and con's then you can come to an understanding even with or without a degree.

Just because some old fart sign his signature on a paper saying you know something doesn't grant you god like power above everyone else. People can learn and think. Proper knowledge helps. What I show are sources who did the details and have the knowledge in what they are trying to show us.


Some blogs online seem to make sense. They're is logic in there words. How truthful is debateable but that's what we are doing? Constructive arguements. hehehe.

Peace August, I support american people.. Not your Government.

Still I'm waiting for your rebuttal on my 2 questions if possible..:hmm: