My guess as to why we had 8 years of GW Bush - Page 3

Enigma · 01-08-08, 10:12 PM

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Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket!

True colors. (as if they were hidden...)

3,500 dead in an unneccesary war isnt great. and when you start harping your standard party lines about why thi swar was neccesary, well, I cant promise I'll be listening. You've already managed to offend the Father of one of the troops, and I'm sure the vast number of Military families or personal that come here. But feel free, keep at it....

Stealth Hunter · 01-08-08, 10:15 PM

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Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket!

Tell that to my son who has to pick up pieces of his friends "no bigger that a hamburger" (his quote). Who has watched squad-mates die in a burning Humvee. Who has been twice wounded himself. And who has to face the reality of killing people.

That's Great? Support our troops you ain't.

Peto and Pissed

I didn't post that, Peto, SUBMAN did...

I've seen war. I fought for EIGHT YEARS against Iraq during our war with them (Iran). His comment sickens me, but his arrogant ass can't be changed on opinions. He's never had to watch his best friend lose his head to a hand grenade, or shoot someone in the heart, or bayonet someone in their gut, or beat someone to death with the butt of their gun.

The blood won't come off... no matter how much I scrub or cry or hope for forgiveness. It just won't come off. Arrogant little s*** has no idea what it's like.

He's just a stupid little boy. How disrespectful to his veterans. However, given his age, it's forgivable...

Peto · 01-08-08, 10:26 PM

My mistake StealthHunter and quickly corrected. My sincere apologies! I was a little rattled when I responded...

Edit: and Thank You for your words. I don't know your pain--that type of knowledge can never be explained in a book. But I honor you with the same conviction as I do my son and all combat Veterans.

Salute!

bradclark1 · 01-08-08, 10:27 PM

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Bush didn't start it. He just continued it. But you wouldn't know that since you fail to read enough news to know better.

I believe the fuss is/was over the level that Bush has pushed it.

Stealth Hunter · 01-08-08, 10:28 PM

Perfectly alright. I've also done the same thing more than once.

Stealth Hunter · 01-08-08, 10:28 PM

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Bush didn't start it. He just continued it. But you wouldn't know that since you fail to read enough news to know better.

I believe the fuss is/was over the level that Bush has pushed it.

That's actually what I was focusing on.

August · 01-08-08, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Peto

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Only 3,500 dead? Thats great! Talk about almost no casualties for going to war! That is a drop in the bucket!

Tell that to my son who has to pick up pieces of his friends "no bigger that a hamburger" (his quote). Who has watched squad-mates die in a burning Humvee. Who has been twice wounded himself. And who has to face the reality of killing people.

That's Great? Support our troops you ain't.

Peto and Pissed

"Great" certainly wouldn't be my choice of words either but truth be told 3500 dead is just a small fraction of what every other war in our history would have cost us over this length of time. For example Vietnam averaged 9000 KIA per YEAR during Americas most active presence, or going back further we lost 3600 in just one day at Antietam.

War will always be horrible, that's its very nature. There will never be a war where young men like your son don't have to watch their comrades die violently, but so far the butchers bill for this one has been comparatively cheap.

Peto · 01-08-08, 10:42 PM

Cheap isn't quite the same when it wasn't nessecary in the first place. I was OK going into Afghanistan to go after Bin Laden. I never supported going into Iraq. Even with my moderate amount of international relations, I knew it was the wrong decision. And then how it was handled??? Sorry. This Administration went too far.

Wearing Emerald Tinted glasses doesn't win wars. Even Dorothy learned she had to take them off to see reality. And she was just a kid.

August · 01-08-08, 11:01 PM

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Wearing Emerald Tinted glasses doesn't win wars. Even Dorothy learned she had to take them off to see reality. And she was just a kid.

Yeah and what kind of tint do you need to ignore the fact that Saddam in power was a dagger aimed at our back? I agree that we could have done better, but good, bad or ugly, Saddam had to be taken out we couldn't just sit behind the no fly zone and allow him to regain stength.

Peto · 01-08-08, 11:15 PM

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Yeah and what kind of tint do you need to ignore the fact that Saddam in power was a dagger aimed at our back? I agree that we could have done better, but good, bad or ugly, Saddam had to be taken out we couldn't just sit behind the no fly zone and allow him to regain stength.

We can agree to disagree on this one August. I won't even say that you're wrong because from a certain point of view you aren't. Chances are, we could enjoy a cool one and talk about it face-to-face and both walk away mildly irritated but smiling

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01-10-08, 04:45 PM

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This complete dylussion that Dubya was somehow a better choice than....anyone actually, is really quite ammusing.

quite a track record there, Dubya. You must have been the right man for the job...

As for the OP: I heard the author on a radio interview last night. Disturbing, to say the least.

Thank you - BTW, the post was not to indicate that the "other" side would have had a better candidate - the point was that the RNC jimmied the democratic process to their favor.

I currently believe they'll do it again this election year as well. So far, everyone's saying Obama or Hillary, but I'll bet 100 quatloos that a Republican will win, and 2 or 3 years down the road, they'll find the dirty tricks squad had something to do with it.

A country can vote one way or another, and yeah, sometimes the guy/girl you want don't always win, but it should be FAIR, and not jury-rigged in anyone's favor, and that's my take on the whole matter.

(BTW, yeah, there were probably a lot better choices than Kerry, too).

01-08-08, 10:26 PM	#33
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	My mistake StealthHunter and quickly corrected. My sincere apologies! I was a little rattled when I responded... Edit: and Thank You for your words. I don't know your pain--that type of knowledge can never be explained in a book. But I honor you with the same conviction as I do my son and all combat Veterans. Salute! __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

01-08-08, 10:42 PM	#38
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Cheap isn't quite the same when it wasn't nessecary in the first place. I was OK going into Afghanistan to go after Bin Laden. I never supported going into Iraq. Even with my moderate amount of international relations, I knew it was the wrong decision. And then how it was handled??? Sorry. This Administration went too far. Wearing Emerald Tinted glasses doesn't win wars. Even Dorothy learned she had to take them off to see reality. And she was just a kid. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

01-08-08, 10:28 PM	#35
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Perfectly alright. I've also done the same thing more than once.