New guns jamming in combat!

[ASWnut101]

The sights aren't too short, at least on mine. They are adjustable for range.

[Torpedo Fodder]

I imagine the weapon being referred to in the opening post is the new M312 heavy machine gun. I might have said thr Mk. 46 and Mk. 48 SAWs (both based on the FN Minimi/M249 SAW), but since those are used exclusivly by SOCOM, there's no way the military would be ordering 100,000 of them.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

The sights aren't too short, at least on mine. They are adjustable for range.

Well, when you have both an AR and an AK, you begin to notice the shortcomings in the iron sights. The little sqeeze dealy (like that word?) is pathetic against the accurate sites on an AR. On the AR, you can adjust for windage, range, everything with a high degree of accuracy. For longer ranges, you flip one sight down in favor of the long range sight, or flip it back for shorter range work.

Anyway, check the AR and then you will see why I think the AK sights are a bit, well, good enough for close work I guess.

-S

PS. Effective range on the AK - about 100 meters accurately. Effective range on the AR - about 500 meters effectively. Shooting the AK at 200 meters is about as accurate as shooting the AR at 800!

[ASWnut101]

Squeeze delay? No, mine came with a rear adjustable height sight. The windage adjustment on it does suck, though. I also totally agree that the AR is more accurate too.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Squeeze delay? No, mine came with a rear adjustable height sight. The windage adjustment on it does suck, though. I also totally agree that the AR is more accurate too.

No - deely. I was making up a word for a thing - not delay. Was having fun till you ruined my fun by not getting it!

Anyway, yeah, the simple move down / up AK sights just don't work very well. For the AR, you have adjustment knobs for elevation and windage. Your sights also flip for a wider sight for targeting quickly, to a very narrow sight for targetting accurately at range. Its night and day between the AK and AR.

-S

[Yahoshua]

Military triggers are 3 stage.

First stage is ALOT of slack (this is called trigger creep), this is instituted as an "Anti-dumbass device" to give the trooper enough time to think before they shoot (positively ID the target) or to have the firearm ready to shoot by going from first stage to the second stage.

The second stage is the "trigger break" (when the firearm is fired). This is ALWAYS a rough pull before the trigger "breaks" and the firing pin strikes the cartridge.

The third stage is after creep, which is the slack or room to move after the trigger break. It serves no purpose other than to screw up your shot (and indeed it does).


The AR and AK both make great plinkers, but the AR wins the accuracy and distance bid hands down.

[moose1am]

Originally Posted by waste gate

So, which weapon is jamming?

I can't remember the name or numbers of the weapon. I saw this on the news (TV NEWS) yesterday or last night. The TV show about Future Weapons has been on tv several times in the last few weeks. I am guessing maybe its the same weapon but man there are so many of them out there now.

I was hoping that someone else in this forum saw the same show on TV last night.
I am thinking it's an assult weapon that was made with larger caliper bullets with more stopping power. But the only reason I think that is due to the future weapons show that I saw. I am not certain if the weapon that jams is the same one that I saw on future weapons show.

I'll make a note if I see this program again and write down the weapon name and model number.

I think that any weapons being considered for use in combat should be tested in the field by our own troops and not by some company that's selling the weapon to the army. They may cheat. Weapons should work before they are mass produced and given to the guys in the field.

[moose1am]

The weapon that I saw on the Future Weapons show was using a heavier bullet to give it more stopping power. The x navy seal was firing this weapon into some thick clear plastic plates that were stacked together. The M16 bullet size only went though one plastic block. These blocks were about a inch thick. The new weapon fired a heavier caliper bullet and it went though 2 or 3 blocks and knocked the entire stack of blocks down. It has much more hitting power.

But I am not sure if this is the same weapon that is being deployed in Iraq right now and getting all the complaints. We should know if our solders are being given weapons that jam in combat. Again I suggest that everyone keep an ear to the ground to find out what's happening with this new weapon before someone makes 100,000 of them. I don't care who makes these weapons as long as they work right. That's the most important thing to me.

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

Not too sure about Barrett, but H&K's is the new MP-7. Not a rifle. They had it on Future weapons, and it fires the 4.5 (or was it 4.8?)mm rifle round. Pierces body armor and Kevlar helmets with ease.


As for the SAW, they are replacing that already. They've got the M-240B Light Machine Gun (which is actually replacing the M-60E3), and the M-(I forgot the number) SAW to replace the M-249 SAW. The -240B uses the 7.62 NATO, and the new SAW uses the 5.56 NATO.

[moose1am]

One thing that I was sure that the TV new show said was that they were ordering 100.000 of these weapons for the future. That and that they had soldiers in the field in Iraq that were complaining about these weapons. I just wish I could have remembered the name or model number of the weapon.

Originally Posted by Torpedo Fodder

I imagine the weapon being referred to in the opening post is the new M312 heavy machine gun. I might have said thr Mk. 46 and Mk. 48 SAWs (both based on the FN Minimi/M249 SAW), but since those are used exclusivly by SOCOM, there's no way the military would be ordering 100,000 of them.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by moose1am

One thing that I was sure that the TV new show said was that they were ordering 100.000 of these weapons for the future. That and that they had soldiers in the field in Iraq that were complaining about these weapons. I just wish I could have remembered the name or model number of the weapon.

Did it look something like this?



If so, make sure you know what you are talking about before calling someone. Notice that it is on a stock M-4 lower, so is it the M-4 lower causing the problem?

-S

[elite_hunter_sh3]

ok ak has accuracy problems, but in todays urban fighting style wars, ak will win agaisnt a cheap m16, who won the vietnam war??? NVA with their russian weapons, or the US armed forces with their tactical helicopter advntage, b52 bombers, their huey helicopters, and their f4 phantom mig killers.... who won?? IIRC NVA decimated the US armed forces and the US had to retreate and evacuate...

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by CptSimFreak

M16 was fixed? That's news to me since I used M16-A2,A3 and A4 and not of them were fixed. They would jamm at the shooting range (ideal conditions, no dirt) after less than 70 rounds.....

Then sell them the Finnish RK, a replica of AK. Some people say it´s even better & more reliable than AK´s. Quite accurate too when I tried it and it wont jam! The lieutenant said that we dont clean the gun because it would jam if dirty, but because it is nice to have a clean gun. You can do pretty much anything to it and it´ll work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62

[Torpedo Fodder]

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

ok ak has accuracy problems, but in todays urban fighting style wars, ak will win agaisnt a cheap m16, who won the vietnam war??? NVA with their russian weapons, or the US armed forces with their tactical helicopter advntage, b52 bombers, their huey helicopters, and their f4 phantom mig killers.... who won?? IIRC NVA decimated the US armed forces and the US had to retreate and evacuate...

No, actually Vietnam is an example of winning all the battles but still losing the war. The US never lost any battle of any importance during Vietnam, and they inflicted almost 20 times the number of casualties they recieved (the US lost 58,000, and the NVA/VC lost over 1 million). After 10 years of bleeding with no end in sight and little measurable progress, political pressure at home forced a withdrawal. The NVA hardly drove the US out, because until the US left, they were the ones being decimated. It was only after the US left that they were finally able to conquer South VIetnam.

[The Noob]

My choice of weapons is strongly influenced by Rambonism.

Rambonism

There are several fundamental laws of Rambonism. They are:

1: When in war, use the biggest calibre, noisiest, most inaccurate machine gun possible; no sniper rifles allowed

2: If no big gun is available, use a big noisy handgun such as the Desert Eagle.

3: If no big noisy handgun is available, use a huge freaking combat knife such as the one depicted in the movie First Blood.

4: If no weapon from rules 1-3 is available, you must use your fists while screaming loudly.

5: These rules apply to video games as well, such as Americas Army and Counterstrike.

6: Always make your presence known.

[Torpedo Fodder]

Originally Posted by moose1am

One thing that I was sure that the TV new show said was that they were ordering 100.000 of these weapons for the future. That and that they had soldiers in the field in Iraq that were complaining about these weapons. I just wish I could have remembered the name or model number of the weapon.

Alright, here are a few US or US-operated weapons that have been featured on Future Weapons, so maybe you can identify which one it is. Bear in mind some of them are not actually adopted by US forces

Mk. 48 Mod. 0 Light Machinegun
XM312 Heavy Machinegun
Barrett M107/M82 .50cal Rifle
Accuracy International AS50 .50cal Rifle
HK 416 assault rifle