Explosions at Boston Marathon

[razark]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

NO! Our justice system is what makes America great. Everyone gets a fair trial. Not just the ones we like. Even those we despise are entitled to a fair trial. That's what sets us apart.

Oh, phooey! You obviously don't have a clue, unlike certain people:

Originally Posted by Lindsey Graham and John McCain

Now that the suspect is in custody, the last thing we should want is for him to remain silent. It is absolutely vital the suspect be questioned for intelligence gathering purposes. ... The least of our worries is a criminal trial which will likely be held years from now. Under the Law of War we can hold this suspect as a potential enemy combatant not entitled to Miranda warnings or the appointment of counsel.

Link

[eddie]

Originally Posted by Oberon

At first, no, but after hearing details about the two, I did kind of hope it, but like I said earlier, it could have gone one of two ways, and it's a good indication of the skill of the negotiator that he was able to stop him going the way most of us thought he would, and pretty quickly too.

Good luck with the marathon in London this weekend. Hope they don't have any problems like we did in Boston.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by razark

Oh, phooey! You obviously don't have a clue, unlike certain people:

Link

Do they want Cheney to waterboard him?

Originally Posted by razark

Oh, phooey! You obviously don't have a clue, unlike certain people:

Link

Thanks for the link, it didn't take some politicians long to display their craziness.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

NO! Our justice system is what makes America great. Everyone gets a fair trial. Not just the ones we like. Even those we despise are entitled to a fair trial. That's what sets us apart.

Drones killing US citizens and lots of bystanders abroad, without any trial.
Guantanamo, being imprisoned and tortured without trial, a lot of them are obviously not guilty (see the taxi driver case).
Or did you mean this as a joke ? If this is what made America great i would politely refrain from ever wanting to go there.

Of course, i do not believe the US official justice and legal system accepts or supports this killing or torturing, with or without trial, but it seems they are not being asked. Those actions are performed in a clandestine way which unfortunately leaked out, otherwise no one would know about it.

This has been going on since after WW2 and the change from the OSS to CIA, but after 9/11 they do not care really much about hiding that anymore, it is all about the then declared condition of law of war (or condition yellow, red etc.), which took away a lot of liberties, and rights. Every eMail is being read, or at least automatically checked, and eavesdropping is now 'legal', as are trials without legal hearing. For how long ? Does anyone think this will be turned back at any time in the future ?

[Bilge_Rat]

apparently, the Russians had identified the older brother as a potential terrorist and had advised the U.S. two years ago:

Also Friday, the FBI confirmed that its agents in Boston had interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 at the request of a foreign government. A law enforcement official said the request came from the Russian government, concerned about Tsarnaev’s potential ties to Chechen terrorists. But, after that interview, the FBI did not follow him further, officials said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...31b_story.html

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Drones killing US citizens and lots of bystanders abroad, without any trial.
Guantanamo, being imprisoned and tortured without trial, a lot of them are obviously not guilty (see the taxi driver case).
Or did you mean this as a joke ? If this is what made America great i would politely refrain from ever wanting to go there.

Of course, i do not believe the US official justice and legal system accepts or supports this killing or torturing, with or without trial, but it seems they are not being asked. Those actions are performed in a clandestine way which unfortunately leaked out, otherwise no one would know about it.

This has been going on since after WW2 and the change from the OSS to CIA, but after 9/11 they do not care really much about hiding that anymore, it is all about the then declared condition of law of war (or condition yellow, red etc.), which took away a lot of liberties, and rights. Every eMail is being read, or at least automatically checked, and eavesdropping is now 'legal', as are trials without legal hearing. For how long ? Does anyone think this will be turned back at any time in the future ?

[swamprat69er]

Give him a 'fair' trial in a state that still has a death penalty. Then hang him by the neck until he is as dead as those three people he helped kill. That is fair.

[WernherVonTrapp]

From the beginning, my wife and I were watching these events unfold through the media. It has (pretty much) unfolded just as I described it would to my wife. From the FBI and local authorities confiscating video from the cameras of various local business security cams, to the quick identification of the suspects and the subsequent tips that lead to them being found.
When my wife asked me why the two brothers visited MIT and killed the officer there, I proposed that it might have been their intention to detonate an explosive device at a premier institute like MIT because the one suspect wanted to make some sort of statement related to (possibly) his own failure as an engineering student. I wasn't surprised to learn later that the authorities found an explosive device with a "trigger" mechanism on the one suspect. I suggested to my wife that the MIT officer (who was probably new and inexperienced) possibly interrupted their original plan.
I also proposed that they would take the second suspect alive, for one reason or another, but due to the fact that I thought the older brother played the leader while the younger played the follower. Truly a sad situation all around.

[Wolferz]

The younger one will get a one way ticket to Gitmo after they slap the domestic terrorist label on him. A really stupid way to screw up your life and give away your rights and liberty.

How many more of these religious zealots is our government going to import? The burning question in my mind is... why?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by eddie

Good luck with the marathon in London this weekend. Hope they don't have any problems like we did in Boston.

Hopefully that will be the case.

Congratulations to all the emergency services that played their part.

[donna52522]

Originally Posted by swamprat69er

Give him a 'fair' trial in a state that still has a death penalty. Then hang him by the neck until he is as dead as those three people he helped kill. That is fair.

I don't believe that state has a Death Penalty, except for "cop killers". I may be wrong.

http://nodp.org/ma/s1.html

On November 7, 2007, House lawmakers again overwhelmingly rejected a bill to reinstate the death penalty by a vote of 46 - 110. Two years earlier in 2005, the House defeated Governor Romney's legislation 53 - 100.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by donna52522

I don't believe that state has a Death Penalty, except for "cop killers". I may be wrong.

http://nodp.org/ma/s1.html

On November 7, 2007, House lawmakers again overwhelmingly rejected a bill to reinstate the death penalty by a vote of 46 - 110. Two years earlier in 2005, the House defeated Governor Romney's legislation 53 - 100.

I've obviously no idea with being British but didn't a police officer from MIT get murdered?

[eddie]

He won't go to Gitmo. His case will be on the Federal Level, so don't know about the death penalty there. If he doesn't get the death sentence, he'll spend the rest of his life in a Federal Prison, aka Super Max. No tv, no internet, no special privileges, he will only be let out of his cell 1 hour out of 24, every day.
But, Timothy McVeigh (the Oklahoma City bomber) was executed by lethal injection, and that was a Federal Case too

He actually worked for MIT Jim, Coillier, the officer you are talking about. So don't know if that would be treated like killing a policeman who worked for the city. It should though, I would think.

[Skybird]

Revenge-driven debate. Killing him does not do anything.

He does not pose a risk anymore when being in a prison. He will hardly run a criminal empire from inside prison. There is hardly a criminal empire waiting for him to be taken over again by him if he gets released from prison. He hardly will be the excuse for more terror done in an attempt to blackmail the state and have him freed. - As a rule of tumb, these are the reasons when I sometimes would agree to execute a sentenced criminal - and then it is no punishment, but a prevention. As I often argued, death as penalty makes no sense - since the offender does not exist anymore to endure the punishing stimulus, and to alter his behavior.

However, I also do not accept that the public has to pay for keeping the criminals off the streets, and has to pay for their lodging, food, and such. In prison, people should need to work to produce an income by which they pay for their food, clothes, heating, water, electricity, and the wages of the prison guard. That the maintaining of prisons is payed for by the tax payer, is not just a joke - it is an offense of the real or potential victims. In a way, the right of self-defense should not cost the ordinary innocent man his money. If you have to buy a right, then it is no right. Prisoners should also work to produce an income by which they pay compensations to their victims, as should be ruled by courts. Punishing an offender, and the state taking the money and the victims get nothing, or less, is not okay. Running prisons must not produce an economic profit, that is not what they are there for. But they should be run tax-neutral.