Explosions at Boston Marathon

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by donna52522

I am just rambling, if you don't agree with what I said......I really don't care.

typical

Originally Posted by donna52522

I know she comes from a place where things like this are conspiracies, but just what motive would the USA have for framing two young men for something like this?

Oh, I'm sure We'll hear from the 'Dark Side' about this!

[razark]

to those who brought him in.

Very glad they managed to do it without getting any more officers hurt.

[Wolferz]

Nineteen year old kid by the accounts I've read. I suspect his older brother was the bad influence. Now the elder brother is dead dead deadski and no longer a bad influence. Hopefully this kid gets a one way ticket to Gitmo never to be seen again. Save the taxpayers in Massachusetts some money in trial and incarceration costs.

Be a good girl Donna and drink your Kool-Aid.

[Armistead]

Think the younger one is US. In about 4 years and 50 million tax dollars later, he'll be convicted.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Save the taxpayers in Massachusetts some money in trial and incarceration costs.

NO! Our justice system is what makes America great. Everyone gets a fair trial. Not just the ones we like. Even those we despise are entitled to a fair trial. That's what sets us apart.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

NO! Our justice system is what makes America great. Everyone gets a fair trial. Not just the ones we like. Even those we despise are entitled to a fair trial. That's what sets us apart.

Well said, the day you start stooping to the level of those who fight you is the day you forget what you're fighting for in the first place.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well said, the day you start stooping to the level of those who fight you is the day you forget what you're fighting for in the first place.

Exactly.

And I quote (emphasis mine):

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Exactly.

And I quote (emphasis mine):

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."

That's the kicker...

In a story like this, how the heck does one get an impartial jury?

[Tchocky]

OK, off to bed now that it's all done.

Side note - did anyone expect this guy to be talked out of it as it seems has happened? It was one of the last things I expected to be honest.

[TarJak]

Largely irrelevant. They pick 12 good men and true and then send him down the river for as long as he gets. Unless he pleads guilty, then skip step one.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

That's what sets us apart.

Not just in America. Same goes for most countries that inherited versions of the British colonial justice system, (which is based on Roman laws with the same presumption of innocence), as well as some others that said that the presumption innocence and the requirement for the authorities to prove guilt was a good idea.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Not just in America. Same goes for most countries that inherited versions of the British colonial justice system, (which is based on Roman laws with the same presumption of innocence), as well as some others that said that the presumption innocence and the requirement for the authorities to prove guilt was a good idea.

You're absolutely correct. I didn't mean to come across as one of those "'Murca's the best cause freedom!" types. I meant to draw a line between the Magna Carta based justice systems and the "we know the infidel did it so lock him up" kangaroo court types that would presume guilt just because.

It just really bugs me when I hear the phrase "save the taxpayer money" in relation to the justice system.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

OK, off to bed now that it's all done.

Side note - did anyone expect this guy to be talked out of it as it seems has happened? It was one of the last things I expected to be honest.

At first, no, but after hearing details about the two, I did kind of hope it, but like I said earlier, it could have gone one of two ways, and it's a good indication of the skill of the negotiator that he was able to stop him going the way most of us thought he would, and pretty quickly too.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

OK, off to bed now that it's all done.

Side note - did anyone expect this guy to be talked out of it as it seems has happened? It was one of the last things I expected to be honest.

I was wondering this myself.This seems to imply that he was very much under the control of his older brother not to diminish guilt in any way.
It seems that he could have attempted a suicide attacks on the cops looking for him.Or fired at them.

I wonder if what he did was fire a weapon that he had on him to attract attention because it seems that there was not much of a stand off before he gave up.He could have held on for many hours even days but he gave up after only a few hours.He clearly had nearly 24 hours to decide what his fate was going to be.