Will the DRM affect your Purchase? - Page 27

Captain Wreckless · 02-05-10, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

That was an awesome game! Although it was rough on my 386 sx it was fun and a great CIC simulator.

Sure was and I still have my copy. I've even talked with the designer at one time. He and I served on the same aircraft carrier, though I never met him as I had left by the time he reported onboard.

And now back to the regularly scheduled program.

CW

piri_reis · 02-05-10, 04:07 AM

Nope, a single player game with DRM/OSP scheme that needs to be always online, for me to play MY game, will not get my money.

rascal101 · 02-05-10, 04:47 AM

Why would you purchase a game that required Permanent Online connection?

Why would you do this?
What is the justification?

We are interested to know

List your answers below

Answer A)
Answer B)
Answer C)

Because no one else on this forum or any other games related forum that I have visited in the past month can think of a reason why - so we're all waiting.

Let me refrase that - "
remotsuc eht rof egatnavds on si ereht'
roughly translated that means
'There is no advantage for the customer'

If you think there is, or could be an advantage for the customer please state the advantages below

You will be breaking new gound - we want to hear you

Regards

R

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von Taticus

As it seems that a permanment online connection is required to play SH5 will it affect your decision to buy (sorry lease)?

Brag · 02-05-10, 06:27 AM

There is no advantage or benefit for the customer. DRM/OSP sucks socks, game sinks.

piri_reis · 02-05-10, 06:42 AM

The advantage they are pitching is saving to the servers and being able to play from whichever computer you have connected.
It's so funny.. Like we are newborn babies, never got in touch with a Personal Computer with its own hard drive. Never saved our work to C: or MyDocs... Like we still live in the dumb Terminal days of the computer world.

Today, everybody has gigabytes/terabytes on multiple hard disks, and usb sticks to backup or carry their savegames wherever they want!

This OSP scheme has absolutely Zero advantage to the customer experience. People at UBI just need to use their brain and think what they are offering here.

ACR · 02-05-10, 09:51 PM

i am personally that happy with sh3 and gwx gold that i have much much time to wait and see. i e.g. never bought sh4 when i saw that it did not had major improvements regarding to sh3 with the best mods- the same i will do with sh5.

i think that it will take some patching and modding time to blast out sh3 + gwx gold- this time i will use sh3 and wait to see if the policy of ubisoft continues.

personally i think that having a must to have an internet connection ( even when nearly everybody has...) is the end for selling it as a standalone product and also the beginning of trying to locate personal data of the customers. i bet you will have to register with your name email etc... you will receive emails from ubisoft, they may have a way to "spy" your personal data on the computer whe you have to be connected all the time.

well, no way gentlemen from ubisoft. you forget that you will make a big financial disaster when nobody buys it and that you live from the payments of the enduser. not every user is that stupid, not only silly kids are buying this game!

i say again- the modders gave us with sh3 that fantastic joy of gaming that nobody is really in rush to buy sh5. lets take this power of us all and give ubisoft a big sign that not only they make the rules.

WolfgangLuth · 02-05-10, 11:01 PM

The poll is closed? Oh dear, I was rather hoping to vote. If it means anything, I would have voted for the general consensus view of "Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM" option before buying, making it read 762.

What to add? Well, I hope you like my prediction on what is actually going to happen a week or so before SH-V finally goes gold (release). My prediction is that Ubisoft will make a public statement along the lines of "Dear valued customers, we have looked at our options and decided to not go ahead with our proposed DRM scheme and are currently looking at other options. We apologize for any inconvenience and as a gesture of goodwill we have decided to remove all copy protection for our valued customers."

This "surprise" turnaround at the last minute will make Ubi look like the "heroic saviors of the games industry and enterprising pioneers of freedom". The feeling of relief, euphoric good vibrations it would create... I think would probably be enough to cause quite a major spike in sales. A real buying bonanza, if you will. In my opinion it would create chatter on the gaming forums about how "great and wonderful" Ubisoft are... creating even more spontaneous online sales on the spur-of-the-moment they wouldn't have normally got otherwise.

My gut feeling tells me there was never any online DRM scheme being prepared and there never was. Ubisoft lied. There are no Ubisoft DRM/OSP servers ready to go live in March, they never existed. It's all just clever marketing. Now, I wouldn't go as far as to call it a marketing "scam" because it's not as if the customer is being deprived of anything (aside from our sanity?). On the whole I tend to look down on these kind of underhand marketing tactics, but at the same time one can't help admiring them for ingenuity. The end may very well justify the means in this sort of case. Harmless (if somewhat devilish) marketing fun and a few laughs at the customers expense (oh, and a few extra sales).

If I'm wrong... then the only other explanation (in my humble opinion) is that someone at Ubisoft *wants* the company to go bankrupt. Perhaps someone in the company would benefit from that happening? Well, if that's what happens, then Columbo should have a trail to follow to find the culprit.

Oh.... just one more thing...

This is just a theory, of course. Allegedly. Let's see if I'm right by release day. Stay optimistic, shipmates!

THE_MASK · 02-05-10, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfgangLuth

The poll is closed? Oh dear, I was rather hoping to vote. If it means anything, I would have voted for the general consensus view of "Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM" option before buying, making it read 762.

What to add? Well, I hope you like my prediction on what is actually going to happen a week or so before SH-V finally goes gold (release). My prediction is that Ubisoft will make a public statement along the lines of "Dear valued customers, we have looked at our options and decided to not go ahead with our proposed DRM scheme and are currently looking at other options. We apologize for any inconvenience and as a gesture of goodwill we have decided to remove all copy protection for our valued customers."

This "surprise" turnaround at the last minute will make Ubi look like the "heroic saviors of the games industry and enterprising pioneers of freedom". The feeling of relief, euphoric good vibrations it would create... I think would probably be enough to cause quite a major spike in sales. A real buying bonanza, if you will. In my opinion it would create chatter on the gaming forums about how "great and wonderful" Ubisoft are... creating even more spontaneous online sales on the spur-of-the-moment they wouldn't have normally got otherwise.

My gut feeling tells me there was never any online DRM scheme being prepared and there never was. Ubisoft lied. There are no Ubisoft DRM/OSP servers ready to go live in March, they never existed. It's all just clever marketing. Now, I wouldn't go as far as to call it a marketing "scam" because it's not as if the customer is being deprived of anything (aside from our sanity?). On the whole I tend to look down on these kind of underhand marketing tactics, but at the same time one can't help admiring them for ingenuity. The end may very well justify the means in this sort of case. Harmless (if somewhat devilish) marketing fun and a few laughs at the customers expense (oh, and a few extra sales).

If I'm wrong... then the only other explanation (in my humble opinion) is that someone at Ubisoft *wants* the company to go bankrupt. Perhaps someone in the company would benefit from that happening? Well, if that's what happens, then Columbo should have a trail to follow to find the culprit.

Oh.... just one more thing...

This is just a theory, of course. Allegedly. Let's see if I'm right by release day. Stay optimistic, shipmates!

your not sober are you .

Highbury · 02-05-10, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfgangLuth

My prediction is that Ubisoft will make a public statement along the lines of "Dear valued customers, we have looked at our options and decided to not go ahead with our proposed DRM scheme and are currently looking at other options. We apologize for any inconvenience and as a gesture of goodwill we have decided to remove all copy protection for our valued customers."

Armistead · 02-06-10, 01:12 AM

I've never been into gaming except for SH4 and one other. I'm certainly gonna wait.

But what happens if anything if you pause the game and alt/tab out. I may alt out and do other stuff online for an hour, or just check email...Will this effect the connection to UBI for any reason?

Boy, the first time the server crashes, this board is gonna be a riot.

GermanGS · 02-06-10, 02:15 AM

I'm going to get the game with or without DRM and support the series.

scrag · 02-06-10, 04:49 AM

I think it is bad practice to do this (including STEAM). I will not wate my money on something I can not play in a stand alone configuration. I serve on subs and find this rather amusing.

TarJak · 02-06-10, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrag

I think it is bad practice to do this (including STEAM). I will not wate my money on something I can not play in a stand alone configuration. I serve on subs and find this rather amusing.

I imagine it will be tough to convice your skipper to keep surfacing and using the comms bandwidth so you can play SHV during your off duty hours. Unless of course he is a SHV nut as well.

Cobber · 02-07-10, 12:58 AM

I won't purchase anything that requires online connections to play. A part from the fact that I disagree with the concept what about people who live or work in remote locations. Never assume that everyone has internet access, even in this day and age. Let us say that a serving submariner has the game installed on his personal laptop at sea, there's no internet connection underwater. DRM

MasterCaine · 02-07-10, 07:30 AM

lmao. Ubisoft now has their customers by the balls. This now confirms what we have known all along about Ubisoft- they are a sh*tty company. When they go bankrupt and shut down their servers, SH5 players will be screwed. I absolutely will not be buying SH5. Enough is enough. Crash and burn, Ubisoft, crash and burn.

View Poll Results: Will the new DRM affect your SH5 purchase
"Makes no difference to me"	191	15.44%
I'll cancel my pre-order & wait	148	11.96%
Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM	761	61.52%
Not going to at all now.	137	11.08%
Voters: 1237. You may not vote on this poll

02-05-10, 04:07 AM	#392
piri_reis Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 715 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	Nope, a single player game with DRM/OSP scheme that needs to be always online, for me to play MY game, will not get my money. __________________ Lt.z.S. Barbaros Hayreddin, U-35, 2nd Flot/Kiel, Type VIIB Oct.29.1939, 2nd Patrol Eastern English Waters Running SH5/TWOS

02-05-10, 06:27 AM	#394
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	There is no advantage or benefit for the customer. DRM/OSP sucks socks, game sinks. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-05-10, 06:42 AM	#395
piri_reis Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 715 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	The advantage they are pitching is saving to the servers and being able to play from whichever computer you have connected. It's so funny.. Like we are newborn babies, never got in touch with a Personal Computer with its own hard drive. Never saved our work to C: or MyDocs... Like we still live in the dumb Terminal days of the computer world. Today, everybody has gigabytes/terabytes on multiple hard disks, and usb sticks to backup or carry their savegames wherever they want! This OSP scheme has absolutely Zero advantage to the customer experience. People at UBI just need to use their brain and think what they are offering here. __________________ Lt.z.S. Barbaros Hayreddin, U-35, 2nd Flot/Kiel, Type VIIB Oct.29.1939, 2nd Patrol Eastern English Waters Running SH5/TWOS

02-06-10, 02:15 AM	#401
GermanGS Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 49 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I'm going to get the game with or without DRM and support the series. __________________

02-05-10, 09:51 PM	#396
ACR Seaman Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 42 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	i am personally that happy with sh3 and gwx gold that i have much much time to wait and see. i e.g. never bought sh4 when i saw that it did not had major improvements regarding to sh3 with the best mods- the same i will do with sh5. i think that it will take some patching and modding time to blast out sh3 + gwx gold- this time i will use sh3 and wait to see if the policy of ubisoft continues. personally i think that having a must to have an internet connection ( even when nearly everybody has...) is the end for selling it as a standalone product and also the beginning of trying to locate personal data of the customers. i bet you will have to register with your name email etc... you will receive emails from ubisoft, they may have a way to "spy" your personal data on the computer whe you have to be connected all the time. well, no way gentlemen from ubisoft. you forget that you will make a big financial disaster when nobody buys it and that you live from the payments of the enduser. not every user is that stupid, not only silly kids are buying this game! i say again- the modders gave us with sh3 that fantastic joy of gaming that nobody is really in rush to buy sh5. lets take this power of us all and give ubisoft a big sign that not only they make the rules.

02-05-10, 11:01 PM	#397
WolfgangLuth Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	The poll is closed? Oh dear, I was rather hoping to vote. If it means anything, I would have voted for the general consensus view of "Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM" option before buying, making it read 762. What to add? Well, I hope you like my prediction on what is actually going to happen a week or so before SH-V finally goes gold (release). My prediction is that Ubisoft will make a public statement along the lines of "Dear valued customers, we have looked at our options and decided to not go ahead with our proposed DRM scheme and are currently looking at other options. We apologize for any inconvenience and as a gesture of goodwill we have decided to remove all copy protection for our valued customers." This "surprise" turnaround at the last minute will make Ubi look like the "heroic saviors of the games industry and enterprising pioneers of freedom". The feeling of relief, euphoric good vibrations it would create... I think would probably be enough to cause quite a major spike in sales. A real buying bonanza, if you will. In my opinion it would create chatter on the gaming forums about how "great and wonderful" Ubisoft are... creating even more spontaneous online sales on the spur-of-the-moment they wouldn't have normally got otherwise. My gut feeling tells me there was never any online DRM scheme being prepared and there never was. Ubisoft lied. There are no Ubisoft DRM/OSP servers ready to go live in March, they never existed. It's all just clever marketing. Now, I wouldn't go as far as to call it a marketing "scam" because it's not as if the customer is being deprived of anything (aside from our sanity?). On the whole I tend to look down on these kind of underhand marketing tactics, but at the same time one can't help admiring them for ingenuity. The end may very well justify the means in this sort of case. Harmless (if somewhat devilish) marketing fun and a few laughs at the customers expense (oh, and a few extra sales). If I'm wrong... then the only other explanation (in my humble opinion) is that someone at Ubisoft wants the company to go bankrupt. Perhaps someone in the company would benefit from that happening? Well, if that's what happens, then Columbo should have a trail to follow to find the culprit. Oh.... just one more thing... This is just a theory, of course. Allegedly. Let's see if I'm right by release day. Stay optimistic, shipmates!

02-06-10, 01:12 AM	#400
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,875 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I've never been into gaming except for SH4 and one other. I'm certainly gonna wait. But what happens if anything if you pause the game and alt/tab out. I may alt out and do other stuff online for an hour, or just check email...Will this effect the connection to UBI for any reason? Boy, the first time the server crashes, this board is gonna be a riot.

02-06-10, 04:49 AM	#402
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Count me out I think it is bad practice to do this (including STEAM). I will not wate my money on something I can not play in a stand alone configuration. I serve on subs and find this rather amusing. __________________

02-07-10, 12:58 AM	#404
Cobber Watch Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cooloongup, Western Australia, Australia Posts: 23 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I won't purchase anything that requires online connections to play. A part from the fact that I disagree with the concept what about people who live or work in remote locations. Never assume that everyone has internet access, even in this day and age. Let us say that a serving submariner has the game installed on his personal laptop at sea, there's no internet connection underwater. DRM __________________ "It wasn't like this on 206" HMAS Wollongong - Heed the Call Fremantle Class Patrol Boats - the end of an era.

02-07-10, 07:30 AM	#405
MasterCaine Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 35 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	lmao. Ubisoft now has their customers by the balls. This now confirms what we have known all along about Ubisoft- they are a shtty company. When* they go bankrupt and shut down their servers, SH5 players will be screwed. I absolutely will not be buying SH5. Enough is enough. Crash and burn, Ubisoft, crash and burn.