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[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

You are biased against ATO matters and this is proof... your own speech/thoughts:

Actually, I think Warhawk means he wishes there were more fleet boat pictures in the contest, and I agree. I love U-boats but I like variety, too. Unfortunately, we had to use the art we were sent by the contestants. Warhawk may have missed the list of judges*, but again, even though most of the judges were Americans (including one fleet boat curator and three US Navy vets), the judges were selecting from a deck stacked with U-boat images.





*List of judges
Don Meadows, author Of Ice and Steel
Valerie Stevens, artist
Jeff Edwards, author Torpedo, The Seventh Angel, NavyThriller.com
Gudmundur Helgason, uboat.net - The U-boat War 1939-1945
Wayne Frey, author Russian Submarines
Doug "guod" Atkinson, SimHQ
Mike Jones, creator of Aces of the Deep
Capt. Zeb Alford, submarine captain, Cavalla Historical Foundation
John R. Hindinger, author Rogue Trident
Spence Burnham, artist, Submarine Almanac
Andy Mahood - PC Gamer Sim Columnist
Charles Hinman, Director of Education & Outreach, USS Bowfin submarine memorial museum
Vickie Stevens, artist
Capt. Zeke Zellmer, USS Cavalla officer WWII
Dave Bringhurst, Lead developer Silent Hunter II
R. F. Hoffman, Lt. USNR (WWII)
Peter Toth, Lead Movie Artist, Botond Szalacsi, Lead Designer, Eidos Hungary, Battlestations: Pacific

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Suicide Charlie

Just burn the forums down.

Ha! We did that last month :rotfl:

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

@JCC... in reference to your PM to me:

"Wow, another useful post from 'moderator' JCC
You are really close to the line.

Walk away"

When John PMs you (or anyone) to take it easy, just do it. Please.

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Just three days ago, during a phone conversation with Neal Stevens, he posed an honest question to me. (Maybe it was rhetorical... I'm not sure)
"Maybe it would be beneficial to just open a thread and let everyone bash each other's brains out until they reach common ground out of exhaustion."

My response was, "God, I hope not."

Secondarily, TWICE now without any prodding from me, Neal offered to build a public SH4 GWX DEVELOPMENT forum here at SS.

Both times, without conferring with the GWX Mod team I immediately deflected the idea by stating that such a thing would only benefit GWX... not the ATO community at large. If such a new public forum is constructed, it should be for the entire ATO modding interest relating to the SH4 platform.... not just GWX.

Neal will confirm this on his return.


@ Mush Martin... will PM you my email addy. I imagine I'm about to be banned. Will reply to you as soon as circumstance permits.

We are not banning anyone as a result from posts in this thread.

Yes, thankfully I am able to speak to some people by phone, it really helps foster mutual understanding. I occasionally PM people here and and ask their permission to call and talk, it helps speed things up. I wish I could speak directly to each person, but there's never enough time for that.

Although a dedicated ATO SH4 forum may seem like deferential treatment or not, it may be necessary to keep the peace.

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, thanks for your patience, I've caught up with all 393 posts. Many good points, a lot of frustration, some disagreement. I'll digest this and work with you to come up with a path that I hope will help everyone as much as possible.

Neal

[Onkel Neal]

To settle the issues between GW and fleet boat SH4 modders, we are making the following changes.

A separate forum for SH4 ATO mods. GW should post in this forum for their SH4 mods and discussion; fleet boat modders should retain the current SH4 Mods Workshop. Subsim will not disallow all cross posting, but if someone crossposts a slur or rude comment, then we will change their usergroup ID and they will not longer be able to see the opposing forum. After they get out of the brig.

Stricter enforcement of the civility clause of the RADIO ROOM forum guidelines. Starting now, a rigid and assertive enforcement by the moderating team includes immediate brig time for the type of baiting and rude remarks that seems to start the mod fights, with equal brig time for followup retorts and escalating posts, and calling out forum moderators.

Abusing forum moderators will not be tolerated. They have enough to do and do not need to be told they are useless, biased, or other putdowns.

What is a slight, slur, rude comment, flame? Up to the moderator's discretion.

Consider this a fresh start, we are drawing a line in the sand, let old disputes remain in the past. Everyone starts now with a clean record, so it is up to you to keep it that way. No one wants to hear a 3000 word history of a particular piece of a mod that was borrowed/stolen/uncredited. Tell your dog about it, take it up on e-mail, write it in your diary but don't post it here.

This forum will open for posting soon.

thanks
Neal