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Just a friendly reminder, play nice, no sarcastic comments to others, don't start any flame wars. Anyone and everyone is welcome here to mod SH4 as long as they behave. If you have a problem with someone, ignore them or take it up in e-mail. The mods will not be spending a lot of time playing referee so watch out.

Be nice and fair! :yep:

But...But.....EHHH But...
...OK:up:

Aye, Captain :up:

Neal Can I make a suggestion and its a shame to have to suggest this but, it just might be worth rearranging the SH forums slightly to somthing like so:


SILENT HUNTER 4 PTO General Discussion

SILENT HUNTER 4 PTO mods workshop

SILENT HUNTER 4 Uboat addon

SILENT HUNTER 4 Uboat & ATO Mods workshop


SILENT HUNTER 3 General Discussion

SILENT HUNTER 3 mod workshop

I know its drastic but This way the people with 'extreamist' views on sub types and theatre preference (yes, both sides) can more or less stick their own/prefered forum. Some of the trouble makers will be exposed pretty quickly if they go making spiteful/baiting posts in the forum of their non-preference.

For instance, if I dont like XXX theatre, then i dont really have a legitimate reason to even be reading XXX forum, let alone posting in it.
People who enjoy both theaters can happily post in both without issue.

It just an idea.

regards
JU.

Thank God, I like both theaters.... :lol:

But JU88 has a point, not that it hasn't been suggested before, but then again if people could just behave and respect other opinons, even the opposing ones, there wouldn't be any problems, so let's stick to that. :up:

I wish it could be as simple as good behaviour and respect too, but in practice this just doesnt seem to be acheiveable as there is a growing number of people that are simply unable to contain there 'opposing opinions', some of which is not just harmless banter - but driven by real hatred, how and why? i have no idea, but it needs to stop, which is why im suggesting this.
If the bridges keep getting torched then at some point you just have to build a wall.

I've made a similar suggestion several months ago; on several occasions. This rift between people first reared it's ugly head the instant SH4 was announced to be a PTO game, and has grown into a wider and wider rift ever since.

Up until the uboat addon, Sh4 was its own thing, and this growing rift was a non factor. One game was one corner the other was the other corner, nobody went at anybody elses throat, and everybody was happy. The instant the uboat addon came into the picture, it's own discussion and mod forum wasn't only desireable, but neccessary. For one, obviously the differences in opinion. After all, one certainly doesn't put fans of opposing football or soccar teams into the same bar after a big game. Thats just asking for a fist fight. For two, both theaters are large enough, and have enough interest behind them, that both deserve their own forum.

I agree.

Well, not necessarily a wall, but a nice fence. Just enough of a boundary so that if you are in the other territory you know you are bound by their conventions. What is it about good fences making for good neighbors?

The intent is not to restrict entry, but to make cultural boundaries visible and easy to understand.

Right now, 200+ people watching the 3 SH4 forums.
From time to time, a few buggers forgetting the purpose of said forums to bitch and troll.
If I had to choose between creating and moderating another forum to please a few buggers out of 200+ people who don't give a damn about them, or simply ban said buggers and be done with it, I'd make my mind in a split second. But that's just me :)
So what about we all stick to Neal's first post and that's it :up:

I agree with Neal:

"no sarcastic comments to others, don't start any flame wars".

Which is a shame because rugby fans can quite happily sit in the same bar after a big game without the slightest of incidents. We're all adults here so i'm sure we can all get along without having to build a wall...the notion is silly in the extreme in my oh so humble oppinion.

You know, I don't claim to have all the answers or perfect skills when it comes to running a community. I will say that I have poured a lot of time and effort into helping keep Subsim a place for everyone, and without good moderators this place wouldn't have a chance at remaining civil. Sure, there will always be some friction from time to time, in any forum. I know that most people mean well, even if they occasionally step across the line of good taste or good judgment. And that's the basis for keeping things loose. But even with hundreds of well-intentioned members, it only takes one petty, selfish guy to wreck the whole thing.

The strength of Subsim is the community. There cannot be a community with division. Each of us must make an effort to be honest, patient, and considerate of others. It starts today. Right now.

I appreciate your help.
Neal

Thanks, JU, it's an idea that may be necessary. My only concern, how to keep one group from "invading" other groups' threads in those forums and squabbling? I mean, yes, some PTO type guy may not be interested in ATO mods but he will still be ignorant enough to make a rude post in that forum... in the end I think we will still have the same trouble.

thanks
Neal