The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Good thing you didn't get too sick during those times. Good luck paying for major surgery or extended hospital stays on your own.

This isn't about charity, it's not about handouts. It's about fixing a system which does everything in its power to deny coverage, which bankrupts people during the most difficult times of their lives, and which breeds inefficiency and waste.

Are you a US citizen ?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Good thing you didn't get too sick during those times. Good luck paying for major surgery or extended hospital stays on your own.

matter of fact.

My wife fell down a flight of stairs and suffered severe nerve damage in her right leg, and caused a deep vein thrombosis (blood clot in your artery) that required hospitalization immediately during one such time that our insurance options were virtually non-existent.

this was considered life threatening.

she spent a week in the hospital (expensive but she got the care she needed within 5 - 10 minutes of arriving at the ER)

This injury has exposed a hereditary condition called Protein C & S Deficiency which causes blood clots quite quickly and easily - even for something as simple as bumping your leg on the corner of the table.

since this little accident, she has to be on Lovenox Injections once per day for the remainder of her life.

these shots cost $30,000 per year... of which our current insurance provider covers $29,000 per year.

at the time of the accident, we were out of pocket for the hospital stay, follow up visits etc.

All of this took place in 2003... her medical debt for the hospital stay was paid off within about 18 months due largely in part to our hard work earning us money... we later used that money to pay for our own ride (i know thats a novel concept for some of you)

so dont preach to me about the "what ifs"

i have ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that if my wife were forced into this BS ObamaCare nonsense.

she would likely be permanently disabled or dead right now

so i dont want to hear this crap

[SteamWake]

I know this is a hot topic but uhhh dont take your eyes off Cap and Tax... er Trade.

[GoldenRivet]

folks have to realize that when the government gets these big ideas its always the middle class that gets shafted.

im not happy being shafted.

[August]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

The US makes itself out to be a beacon of wealth and living the good life.... maybe it would be even better if you guys decided to go put yourself out JUST A LITTLE BIT to help those maybe not quite so fortunate as yourself!

Maybe you ought to get informed on how much public and private money Americans give away to the rest of the world in foreign aid and charitable donations before you start lecturing us.

[Tchocky]

i have ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that if my wife were forced into this BS ObamaCare nonsense.

she would likely be permanently disabled or dead right now

Wow.

Maybe you ought to get informed on how much public and private money Americans give away to the rest of the world in foreign aid and charitable donations before you start lecturing us.

If you take out the government military subsidies for other countries to keep the American defence industry employees off social welfare would the amount be comparably less than say for example Sweden or Britain?

There is a help wanted sign in nearly every shop, store, restaurant and fast food joint where I live.

Do those jobs come with healthcare?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Wow.

exactly... see the video posted about the socialized health care in Canada over in the "it would mean the end of the Dems as a party" thread.

a similar situation happened to a woman in the video who ended up having to have both legs amputated as a result of their botched nonsense health scare system.

if handled the least bit incorrectly - the DVT could have travelled to my wife's brain, heart or lungs - resulting in her death... or she may have been permanently disabled.

its frightening what they are trying to do to our health care system.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Do those jobs come with healthcare?

some do.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

exactly... see the video posted about the socialized health care in Canada over in the "it would mean the end of the Dems as a party" thread.

a similar situation happened to a woman in the video who ended up having to have both legs amputated as a result of their botched nonsense health scare system.

if handled the least bit incorrectly - the DVT could have travelled to my wife's brain, heart or lungs - resulting in her death... or she may have been permanently disabled.

its frightening what they are trying to do to our health care system.

This i silly, there are similar horror stories from both side of the issue. Unless there is a statisticaly significat difference in the likelyhood in one system over the other this is just silly.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

This i silly

I agree that it is silly.

I agree that we desperately need health care reform.

I disagree that Obama's "plan" is the route we need to take.

1. it is NOT bipartisan in any shape or form - Nancy Pilosi is WAY to far left - borderline extremist to entertain the idea of cooperating with the right on this issue. It is her and Barry's love child and they want it forced upon us all no matter what it takes.

2. It is the opinion of EVERY health care professional i have personally spoken to, from Surgeons to Anesthesiologists to Nurses to LVNs - that this plan will significantly lower the standard of care in the United States.

3. It is overly complex.

4. it is being crammed down our throats and the Dems are - for some reason - trying to rush this thing into action way too fast... it seems like congress has been trying to rush at lightning pace to "push" bills through. the stimulus packages, the bills they hired speed readers to read, all this nonsense... take your time congress, this is a big pill you're asking us to swallow and you cannot rush a trillion dollar bill through the system in a matter of weeks.

5. it is largely unpopular ... many of the poll numbers which i have seen indicate that approximately 76% of those polled are opposed to the Health Care plan.

6. Congress needs to realize that pushing this thing through... that forcing it through... is political suicide.

[August]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If you take out the government military subsidies for other countries to keep the American defence industry employees off social welfare would the amount be comparably less than say for example Sweden or Britain?

Never miss a chance to bad mouth us eh Tribesman? Well, you're wrong again:

Americans give twice as much as the next most charitable country, according to a November 2006 comparison done by the Charities Aid Foundation. In philanthropic giving as a percentage of gross domestic product, the U.S. ranked first at 1.7%. No. 2 Britain gave 0.73%, while France, with a 0.14% rate, trailed such countries as South Africa, Singapore, Turkey and Germany.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...aritable_N.htm

August,

so you count US help to, say, victims of the hurricane Katrina as 'aid'? Shouldn't that be like, normal functions of a society? Even in like, developing nations, and stuff?

How about looking at foreign aid?

Never miss a chance to bad mouth us eh Tribesman?

There are always so many opertunities where people wave the flag without thinking, if people from another nation was doing it they would get the same treatment.

Well, you're wrong again:

No, as the claim made was about foriegn aid .

But I suppose the best lesson for those that brag about their great financial donations would come from a rather old little known publication called the Bible.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

For my wife and myself nearly 1/3 of my salary. It would be alot less without my wife but hey she deserves it.

With Obamacare and other sundry taxes I see comming it will be at least 50%.

My wife and me pay about 8 % of our income (pension).