Next President of the United States

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Hence we get rid of all the lobbyists.

Yes!!!!!!! The penalty for lobbying should be the same as treason. As it uses money and influence to direct congress.

[Torps]

After having a chance to catch up on the gossip here I can add my 2 cents.

In all honesty that dinner was really needed,to laugh a little bit since things are so tense.

Ultimately in the very end I think there are 5 things that might get McCain a very close win.

1. The fear of complete Democrat control.
2. "Share the wealth comment to Joe".
3. People will take another look at Obama and his "experience".
4. Race
5. Acorn

And if McCain does not win we will not be so free and this is why...

1. Redistribution of wealth
2. The Fairness Doctrine aka govt control of whats on the radio."bye bye freedom
of speech and also might apply to the internet aswell"
3. No Drilling
4. Everyone paying higher taxes (Clinton ran his campaign saying he would cut, but
he raised it on all)
5. Assault weapons ban reinstated
6. Govt health care (Look at Dept of Veterans Affairs health care system, thats
why we dont need govt health care).

I do not know what else would happen but complete democratic control of the House, Senate and the Presidency is to much. Where is the checks and balances???

Hope the man upstairs helps us, we sure hell need it!

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Delusional, not really. If you think about it, the system is set up with checks and balances. If it all depended on the president, we would have a dictatorship. He does have his veto power but in all reality, the veto makes congress go back and look at the legislation again. So, it does not really matter as much with who is at the helm.

You are 100% right with the 'checks and balances' inherent in the USA federal system AVGWarhawk - one of the many reasons I'm a staunch federalist.The problem is that there is a slim possibility that the Democrats could get a 60 vote filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Now some could argue that should Obama win this could be a blessing in disguise as given the severity of the economic situation the country is in at the moment, a president surrounded by top advisors to formulate policies would need to be largely unfettered to persue them in these critical times. I'll tell you one thing for sure, I'm sure that that charlatan Joe Lieberman is not sleeping to well at the moment. The closer the Dems get to the magical number the closer he gets to be booted out.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

The problem is that there is a slim possibility that the Democrats could get a 60 vote filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Now some could argue that should Obama win this could be a blessing in disguise as given the severity of the economic situation the country is in at the moment, a president surrounded by top advisors to formulate policies would need to be largely unfettered to persue them in these critical times.

I wouldn't see either party having a "trifecta", so to speak, as being a good thing. If Obama is elected and the Democrats have control of Congress and the Senate and Obama's economic ideas aren't sound and they are allowed to be instituted without hindrance, we could be looking at a disaster of epic proportions. And yes, I'd feel the same way if McCain is elected. I wouldn't want to see either party controlling everything. I would much rather see both parties use sound judgement and seek professional, unbiased (if there is such a thing) help in the economics department after the President is elected and prompty forgets all those promises they made to get elected.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

I wouldn't see either party having a "trifecta", so to speak, as being a good thing. If Obama is elected and the Democrats have control of Congress and the Senate and Obama's economic ideas aren't sound and they are allowed to be instituted without hindrance, we could be looking at a disaster of epic proportions. And yes, I'd feel the same way if McCain is elected. I wouldn't want to see either party controlling everything. I would much rather see both parties use sound judgement and seek professional, unbiased (if there is such a thing) help in the economics department after the President is elected and prompty forgets all those promises they made to get elected.

Yes, I agree with you, but Pelosi scares the hell out of me - and if she is allowed to play politics in these times - god help all of us.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Yes, I agree with you, but Pelosi scares the hell out of me - and if she is allowed to play politics in these times - god help all of us.

Pelosi is a friggin lunatic. How the hell she got to that position is beyond me. She needs to go.

[baggygreen]

Something Frame said caught my eye.

That is, Obama's plan to send more aid money to other countries. us!!

Seriously though, like it or not, this is essential to try and maintain the status quo. Whilst the US has been using hard power through the middle east and now a little in eastern africa, China has been spreading its influence by using soft power, financial aid, humanitarian assistance, etc, literally right under the US's noses - South America.

An increase in visible aid needs to be made in order to counter the advances of Chinese interests, in my opinion.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...-ohio-carolina
Not really surprising after the long string of ads in the same fashion. Is McCain a puppet of his own campaign or just two faced ?

Funny really because these are the same kind of gutter tactics used against McCain in 2000 when he was running to be the Presidential candidate for the Republican party.

[Tchocky]

Obama has left the campaign for a few days

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/...08/7679508.stm

US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is to leave the campaign trail for two days to visit his sick grandmother in Hawaii.

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by August

Remember that both parties have their rabid supporters and enemies not to mention numerous foreigners trying to influence our election for their own purposes. Their voices are usually the loudest and it's why we get the impression of such acrimony in the political process.

Quite so, too many bloody foreigners!!!!

In case you aint noticed, there are some of us who are concerned about who may become the next US president!

If you dont care for foreign influence then BUTT OUT of world politics.

It may escape your notice but just coz the US call a Baseball game a "World Series"....doesn't actually count as a world anything.......Its true title should be a North American Series.

Cricket, Soccer and Rugby all have a truly global 'World Cup'
Stop being so insular...some of us actually agree with US policy and want to keep our connections close....a damn site closer than Europe, an thats for sure.

[August]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

Quite so, too many bloody foreigners!!!!

In case you aint noticed, there are some of us who are concerned about who may become the next US president!

If you dont care for foreign influence then BUTT OUT of world politics.

It may escape your notice but just coz the US call a Baseball game a "World Series"....doesn't actually count as a world anything.......Its true title should be a North American Series.

Cricket, Soccer and Rugby all have a truly global 'World Cup'
Stop being so insular...some of us actually agree with US policy and want to keep our connections close....a damn site closer than Europe, an thats for sure.

Look it's not my fault that your opinion isn't valued as much as you think it should be. I dare say you'd be as disdainful if Americans poked their noses into your politics as well.

As for baseball, stop your whining. It's our game and our league and we'll call it whatever we want.

[kurtz]

Originally Posted by August

Look it's not my fault that your opinion isn't valued as much as you think it should be. I dare say you'd be as disdainful if Americans poked their noses into your politics as well.

As for baseball, stop your whining. It's our game and our league and we'll call it whatever we want.

Well actually, on your last point England invented baseball

[Konovalov]

It has become quite evident that as time has gone on, the gap in this poll has widened considerably over the last week or so. I wonder if the current majority (of which I cast my vote long ago) will be proven correct? :hmm:

Poll results at the time of this post were:

Obama/Biden 74 votes 57.36%
McCain/Palin 55 votes 42.64%

[Skybird]

Imagine McCain who already have had several heart attacks being elected. I do not trust in his health to live through 4 years if making it into office.

That would mean Palin becoming governing president. A total nightmare of a maximum worst case scenario.

Anyhow I think Obama will win in the range of 55:45 to maybe even 60:40.
I also hope we get spared the carricature of election-aftermath we have seen the past two times when elections were tried to be rewritten at the green table (with success). A result not as tight as 51:49 again would helpt against this - and escaping the 51%-side then boasting with claims it had a "substantial majority" also would be appreciated.

German news yesterday reported that McCain also asked for financial campaign support at the Russian UN representation (you know: these types with the letters JFK in their eyes - or was it KGB?)

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Imagine McCain who already have had several heart attacks being elected. I do not trust in his health to live through 4 years if making it into office.

Are you sure you are not talking about a different John McCain? Couldn't find anything that said he had a heart attack or even several...