Who will be the next President of the United States? - Page 24

dean_acheson · 01-25-08, 05:12 PM

Actually, Reagan was HUGELY unpopular in Europe.

Go back and look Der Spegiel or such for the protest over the IRBM deployments in the early 80s, that and the freeze movement.

I think much of the view of Reagan has changed over time.

As for Bush 41, hell, it's hard not to not like him. He was/is a war hero and, I think, a genuinely nice fellow.

Bush 43 is hardly disliked for many reasons. I personally am not a big fan of certain decisions, mainly his inability to resist government largess, but his middle eastern policies that have proved so unpopular in Europe, are not as unpopular here.

There is still a large chunk of folks who remember that certain things happened on 9/11 and it was hoped/believed that the destruction of Al Queada and the creation of function republican govenment in that part of the world (besides Isreal) might create a degree of stability that would preclude the spread of terror engendered by the the fundamentalist governments.

Now you can disagree with that, but that was the basis of US policy in the region.

If Iraq ends as a stable, moderate, republican government, it was worth the blood, treasure, and time. It will mean that SOMETHING positive came out of 9/11.

GlobalExplorer · 01-25-08, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson

There is still a large chunk of folks who remember that certain things happened on 9/11 and it was hoped/believed that the destruction of Al Queada and the creation of function republican govenment in that part of the world (besides Isreal) might create a degree of stability that would preclude the spread of terror engendered by the the fundamentalist governments.

Now you can disagree with that, but that was the basis of US policy in the region.

If Iraq ends as a stable, moderate, republican government, it was worth the blood, treasure, and time. It will mean that SOMETHING positive came out of 9/11.

These could have been exactly my words .. in 2003.

I had a lot of arguments with other germans at the time, when I took the position that our politicians are all opportunists and they have no ****ing clue whats going on in the world.

Today I find it, with respect, unbelieveable that people still believe in it.

Monica Lewinsky · 01-25-08, 05:51 PM

Well, 5 pages later. ALL of you got it all wrong.

Our next president will be end up being ... a Hillbilly!

Look:
http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/hillbilly.jpg

See what I mean?

TteFAboB · 01-25-08, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dean_acheson

I'm not European, in fact, the only place I've ever been in Europe is the UK, but I can't believe that folks across the pond find themselves more comfortable with the idea of President Clinton than they do President McCain or Romney.

Here's the explanation: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politic...parliament.htm

sonar732 · 01-25-08, 08:33 PM

Another blow from Kerry...

WASHINGTON (CNN) — John Kerry, the Democratic Party's 2004 nominee for president, took aim at Bill Clinton Friday, telling the National Journal the former president does "not have a license to abuse the truth."
The Massachusetts senator, who endorsed Barack Obama's White House bid earlier this month, said Clinton's criticisms of the Illinois senator have been "over the top," and suggested the former president is getting "frantic."
Targeting Clinton's recent spate of attacks on Obama, Kerry said, "I think you had an abuse of the truth, is what happened. …I mean, being an ex-president does not give you license to abuse the truth, and I think that over the last days it's been over the top.
"I think it's very unfortunate, but I think the voters can see through that," Kerry added. "When somebody's coming on strong and they are growing, people get a little frantic, and I think people have seen this sort of franticness in the air, if you will."
The former president has faced criticism for aggressively interjecting himself into the race between his wife and Obama of late. On Monday, Obama said he feels as if he is running against both Clintons, a charge the New York senator’s campaign said was borne out of frustration. The former president himself later dismissed Obama's comments, saying “I thought he was running against me.”
Campaigning in South Carolina Friday, Obama said the Clinton campaign has stepped up its attacks since his Iowa win, and joked that it's good practice for him, so "when I take on those Republicans I'll be accustomed to it."
Kerry formally endorsed Obama on January 10, saying then that Obama "isn't just going to break the mold….Together, we are going to shatter it into a million pieces."
The endorsement was seen as a blow to both John Edwards — Kerry's running mate in 2004 — and both Hillary and Bill Clinton, who had campaigned on behalf of Kerry's presidential bid.
– CNN Ticker Pro

01-25-08, 11:06 PM

Vote John McCain! I hope he wins..

" Adolf Hitler orders the Kriegsmarine to keep an eye out for Hillary Clinton and Barack O'bama...while on their trips to other campaign spots."

"U-boat captain is trying to see where Clinton is, to make sure he can activate the 'snuke'!"

:rotfl:

sonar732 · 01-26-08, 01:09 PM

An interesting editorial on CNN about Al Gore.

dean_acheson · 01-26-08, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Quote:

Originally Posted by dean_acheson

There is still a large chunk of folks who remember that certain things happened on 9/11 and it was hoped/believed that the destruction of Al Queada and the creation of function republican govenment in that part of the world (besides Isreal) might create a degree of stability that would preclude the spread of terror engendered by the the fundamentalist governments.

Now you can disagree with that, but that was the basis of US policy in the region.

If Iraq ends as a stable, moderate, republican government, it was worth the blood, treasure, and time. It will mean that SOMETHING positive came out of 9/11.

These could have been exactly my words .. in 2003.

I had a lot of arguments with other germans at the time, when I took the position that our politicians are all opportunists and they have no ****ing clue whats going on in the world.

Today I find it, with respect, unbelieveable that people still believe in it.

I consider myself pretty jaundiced, but I guess I still believe it, since a stable democratic middle east would be a good thing for my country.

Brag · 01-26-08, 03:19 PM

Graffity:

Balz for prez!

geetrue · 01-27-08, 02:06 PM

South Carolina is not going to represent a whole country now is it?

Obama won by a large margin, because the voters were tired of Billary running a smear campaign ... the news said that Edwards got the white male vote, Hillary got the white female vote and Obama got the ... well you know vote.

I think Mccain can take it all against any Democrat, but Obama is getting stronger.

You don't need a poll to figure that out.

AVGWarhawk · 01-28-08, 09:33 AM

As predicted by me.....Bill has sunk Hillary's chance for the nomination. Sorry Bill, the the US is looking for a president, not a dynamic duo like Batman and Robin with a belt full of tricks to get what they want.

Konovalov · 01-28-08, 01:43 PM

Ted Kennedy endorses Obama today. Is this the kiss of death? :hmm:

Tchocky · 01-28-08, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

Ted Kennedy endorses Obama today. Is this the kiss of death? :hmm:

I thought Kerry's endorsement was death, but working off of his 2004 campaign, Kerry has a great database/email setup just waiting to be used.
Ted Kennedy's endorsement was very much up in the air, I'm glad he's not on Hillary's side.

AVGWarhawk · 01-28-08, 03:04 PM

Yes, Kennedy's endorsement is the kiss of death for Hillary. Also, perhaps the feelings towards for the Clintons is Washington is being being shown here in his endorsement. At any rate, Obama's buddy Rezno has been picked up by the FBI. I wonder what the real ties are here with this guy. He seems very shady. I'm still leaning towards McCain.

sonar732 · 01-28-08, 03:09 PM

Ok...for those arm-chair democratic strategist here...where do you think the Clinton campaign will go from here? As evident from the jocking of the Clintons to keep Kennedy neutral, there was an obvious concern on their part and makes you think that from the start Kennedy wasn't going to support Hillary.

With most of the Kennedy clan, Kerry, and other notables, will Obama suffer from his 'connection' with the slum lord Ruzo?:hmm::hmm:

He won the Illinois Senate hands down when his rival Republican canidate had to drop out due to an affair scandal.

View Poll Results: Who will be the next President of the United States?
Joe Biden	1	1.30%
Hillary Clinton	25	32.47%
John Edwards	3	3.90%
Rudy Giuliani	6	7.79%
Mike Huckabee	7	9.09%
John McCain	5	6.49%
Barack Obama	13	16.88%
Ron Paul	5	6.49%
Bill Richardson	1	1.30%
Mitt Romney	3	3.90%
Fred Thompson	8	10.39%
Pat Buchanan	0	0%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

01-25-08, 05:51 PM	#348
Monica Lewinsky Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 845 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Well, 5 pages later. ALL of you got it all wrong. Our next president will be end up being ... a Hillbilly! Look: http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/hillbilly.jpg See what I mean? __________________ Sink them all! Last edited by Monica Lewinsky; 01-25-08 at 07:53 PM.

01-26-08, 03:19 PM	#354
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01-27-08, 02:06 PM	#355
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	South Carolina is not going to represent a whole country now is it? Obama won by a large margin, because the voters were tired of Billary running a smear campaign ... the news said that Edwards got the white male vote, Hillary got the white female vote and Obama got the ... well you know vote. I think Mccain can take it all against any Democrat, but Obama is getting stronger. You don't need a poll to figure that out. __________________

01-28-08, 09:33 AM	#356
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,300 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	As predicted by me.....Bill has sunk Hillary's chance for the nomination. Sorry Bill, the the US is looking for a president, not a dynamic duo like Batman and Robin with a belt full of tricks to get what they want. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-25-08, 05:12 PM	#346
dean_acheson Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Midwest - USA Posts: 1,057 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Actually, Reagan was HUGELY unpopular in Europe. Go back and look Der Spegiel or such for the protest over the IRBM deployments in the early 80s, that and the freeze movement. I think much of the view of Reagan has changed over time. As for Bush 41, hell, it's hard not to not like him. He was/is a war hero and, I think, a genuinely nice fellow. Bush 43 is hardly disliked for many reasons. I personally am not a big fan of certain decisions, mainly his inability to resist government largess, but his middle eastern policies that have proved so unpopular in Europe, are not as unpopular here. There is still a large chunk of folks who remember that certain things happened on 9/11 and it was hoped/believed that the destruction of Al Queada and the creation of function republican govenment in that part of the world (besides Isreal) might create a degree of stability that would preclude the spread of terror engendered by the the fundamentalist governments. Now you can disagree with that, but that was the basis of US policy in the region. If Iraq ends as a stable, moderate, republican government, it was worth the blood, treasure, and time. It will mean that SOMETHING positive came out of 9/11.

01-25-08, 08:33 PM	#350
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Another blow from Kerry... WASHINGTON (CNN) — John Kerry, the Democratic Party's 2004 nominee for president, took aim at Bill Clinton Friday, telling the National Journal the former president does "not have a license to abuse the truth." The Massachusetts senator, who endorsed Barack Obama's White House bid earlier this month, said Clinton's criticisms of the Illinois senator have been "over the top," and suggested the former president is getting "frantic." Targeting Clinton's recent spate of attacks on Obama, Kerry said, "I think you had an abuse of the truth, is what happened. …I mean, being an ex-president does not give you license to abuse the truth, and I think that over the last days it's been over the top. "I think it's very unfortunate, but I think the voters can see through that," Kerry added. "When somebody's coming on strong and they are growing, people get a little frantic, and I think people have seen this sort of franticness in the air, if you will." The former president has faced criticism for aggressively interjecting himself into the race between his wife and Obama of late. On Monday, Obama said he feels as if he is running against both Clintons, a charge the New York senator’s campaign said was borne out of frustration. The former president himself later dismissed Obama's comments, saying “I thought he was running against me.” Campaigning in South Carolina Friday, Obama said the Clinton campaign has stepped up its attacks since his Iowa win, and joked that it's good practice for him, so "when I take on those Republicans I'll be accustomed to it." Kerry formally endorsed Obama on January 10, saying then that Obama "isn't just going to break the mold….Together, we are going to shatter it into a million pieces." The endorsement was seen as a blow to both John Edwards — Kerry's running mate in 2004 — and both Hillary and Bill Clinton, who had campaigned on behalf of Kerry's presidential bid. – CNN Ticker Pro

01-25-08, 11:06 PM	#351
AdlerGrosmann Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Vote John McCain! I hope he wins.. " Adolf Hitler orders the Kriegsmarine to keep an eye out for Hillary Clinton and Barack O'bama...while on their trips to other campaign spots." "U-boat captain is trying to see where Clinton is, to make sure he can activate the 'snuke'!" :rotfl:

01-26-08, 01:09 PM	#352
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	An interesting editorial on CNN about Al Gore.

01-28-08, 01:43 PM	#357
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Ted Kennedy endorses Obama today. Is this the kiss of death? :hmm: __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

01-28-08, 03:04 PM	#359
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,300 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes, Kennedy's endorsement is the kiss of death for Hillary. Also, perhaps the feelings towards for the Clintons is Washington is being being shown here in his endorsement. At any rate, Obama's buddy Rezno has been picked up by the FBI. I wonder what the real ties are here with this guy. He seems very shady. I'm still leaning towards McCain. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-28-08, 03:09 PM	#360
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Ok...for those arm-chair democratic strategist here...where do you think the Clinton campaign will go from here? As evident from the jocking of the Clintons to keep Kennedy neutral, there was an obvious concern on their part and makes you think that from the start Kennedy wasn't going to support Hillary. With most of the Kennedy clan, Kerry, and other notables, will Obama suffer from his 'connection' with the slum lord Ruzo?:hmm::hmm: He won the Illinois Senate hands down when his rival Republican canidate had to drop out due to an affair scandal.