Firearms yes or no

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

I can agree to that, and I have no doubt that you would act as you described. But even though it might be an annoying question: would you guarantee that all those people would do the same thing in that situation? Sure, there'll be a lot of people who wouldn't lose their heads, I know, but all of them? No John Wayne jr., who wants to be a hero? You can even find such folks on the subsim.com forums, so why not in reality? (Yes, I know about armchair heroes, no need to tell me )

You talk about responsibility. Agreed. And there's nothing wrong with owning and carrying a weapon if the owner knows about the responsibility and doesn't forget it even in tense situations. But if everybody remembered this responsibility no one would be killed by guns. Unfortunately, about 30,000 people are being killed by guns in the USA every year. I don't think my opinion was too simplistic. Pessimistic, maybe.

I think I'd have to say yes. The reason? These people would never do anything to jeapordize their ability to have a permit. Plain and simple. The permit alone makes you think twice in any situation.

-S

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I think I'd have to say yes. The reason? These people would never do anything to jeapordize their ability to have a permit. Plain and simple. The permit alone makes you think twice in any situation.

-S

As long as we talk about people whose brains work normally I totally agree with you. As long as you still think before you shoot, no problem.
But still: What about those thirty something thousand people killed by guns every year? All killed by illegal weapons?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

As long as we talk about people whose brains work normally I totally agree with you. As long as you still think before you shoot, no problem.
But still: What about those thirty something thousand people killed by guns every year? All killed by illegal weapons?

I wonder where these 30,000 people are? You never hear about them and I live here. This makes me suspicious that it is the drug trade doing it in the hud, just like in the UK. THe UK gov however covers up this fact for them (even though they are having a hard time covering up their shootings lately), we don't I guess.

So I would be inclined to guess most are illegal weapons based on the fact that 'normal' people are not the people being shot.

-S

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I wonder where these 30,000 people are? You never hear about them and I live here. This makes me suspicious that it is the drug trade doing it in the hud, just like in the UK. THe UK gov however covers up this fact for them (even though they are having a hard time covering up their shootings lately), we don't I guess.

So I would be inclined to guess most are illegal weapons based on the fact that 'normal' people are not the people being shot.

-S

That's not the point I was talking about, but OK, let's assume that most of them are killed with illegal weapons. This still leaves the question why there are far less killings by guns in Europe, even though it's quite easy to get illegal guns from eastern Europe, mainly former Red Army weapons.

Oh, and btw., I'm no friend of conspiracy theories at all. So I'd ask you not to tell me such stories, no matter how interesting they may sound

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

That's not the point I was talking about, but OK, let's assume that most of them are killed with illegal weapons. This still leaves the question why there are far less killings by guns in Europe, even though it's quite easy to get illegal guns from eastern Europe, mainly former Red Army weapons.

Oh, and btw., I'm no friend of conspiracy theories at all. So I'd ask you not to tell me such stories, no matter how interesting they may sound

Stories? Haven't you been reading any of my posts? I sent you links to shooting in the UK all over the place. Also, I gave you even street prices for guns in downtown London! So don't give me stories please - sounds like you are burying your head in the sand! Your gun crime is way up, and you are ignoring it.

-S

[Ostfriese]

This is pointless and getting nowhere. Just one final piece of advice: There's a lot of rubbish written on the internet, and it's fatal to believe everything at the first glance just because it fits into one's opinion.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

This is pointless and getting nowhere. Just one final piece of advice: There's a lot of rubbish written on the internet, and it's fatal to believe everything at the first glance just because it fits into one's opinion.

So I guess your news sources are rubbish and pointless? Interesting. So where do you get your news then? Your fantasy land? BBC - even these guys point to it as a major problem. Your Guardian does too. Guess they are all wrong and you are right. Nice.

-S

[Takeda Shingen]

As promised, this thread has re-opened. However, if the conversation does not retain civility, it will close again, and permanently.