Schools fingerprinting students without consent

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by STEED

From The Prisoner Episode 5
From the fingerprint security scene

No.2 "Full proof"

No.6 "The trouble with science is it can be perverted"

"You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it damnfoolproof"-Robert A. Heinlein

I have a friend who fought tooth and nail to keep his kids from having to get social security cards until they were old enough to make that decision on their own. Every time a school or SS official said "It's required by law" he countered with "Show me the law that says that". They never could.

[Hylander_1314]

That's because there isn't one.

The old saying, if you tell someone a lie long enough, they will believe it to be true.

[TteFAboB]

Steve that's precisely my case. I've delayed it for as long as I could, my old enough decision was "No thanks".

[The Noob]

Thanks God that we in austria have not invented such BS Jet. (For you STEED. )

We are so backwards that it's hard to get a Internet here, so it will take a couple of years until PC Big Brother Madness reaches us.

My fingerprints are not in any system, and it's gonna stay this way. *Digs Foxhole in the Woods*

I was always against such things, even in my shool time with 8, where everyone else did not care.

And yes, i have stuff to hide. Nothing Major, but some stuff i don't want everyone to know about. *Gets Proxy*

If they start the "Chip Everyone!" madness i will go nuts. Don't wonder if you read "Young Crazy fella beaten up Chipin' Office". My Animals have no Chips, and it is going to stay this way. If i violate a law by it, then i'm gonna violate this law. I don't care for such Nazi-Alike Laws justified by "War on Terror" or whatever excuse they are going to find for it.

My 2 cents about big brother.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Thanks God that we in austria have not invented such BS Jet. (For you STEED. )

LOL

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

That's because there isn't one.

The old saying, if you tell someone a lie long enough, they will believe it to be true.

Said by Hitler's propaganda minister ?:hmm: Or todays goverment controlled press.

[fredbass]

They just want to make sure you are who you say you are and that the wrong person doesn't get in and cause trouble. With an upswing in violence, they obviously are trying new things to see what might help. To me, it's not that big of deal, and if it keeps our children safe, then you don't have much of an argument from me.

And consent is not an option. Everyone has to do it if they want to get in. The only option the parent can take is removing the child from that school and go somewhere else that doesn't do it.

[Yahoshua]

It's a cataloguing of people.

So unless I'm a convicted felon or criminal on the run there's absolutely no need for this waste of my tax-dollars.

They can spend it on more useful things, like actually keeping track of the criminals that are supposed to have a tab on them instead of tagging every tom dick and harry and the occasional jane who walks through the door.

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

It's a cataloguing of people.

So unless I'm a convicted felon or criminal on the run there's absolutely no need for this waste of my tax-dollars.

It is. And there are several hundred children obducted or abandoned, every year, that Social Services cannot trace to a parent or guardian. So if you were a convicted crim on the run, and your kidnap victim managed to escape, we'd have some kind of idea of where he/she came from.

The topic started on mandatory fingerprinting of children. If it's by a cop, not a private organization, then I take no issue with it. In fact, I would like to see it mandatory, along with dental records.

Furthermore, I would like to see a national DNA database. All this crap with women not knowing who the father is would stop. The only worry I have is when, like social security numbers, private corporations start their own tabulation of DNA markers and use it for identification purposes.

[Yahoshua]

It's another means to achieve slavery.

It's a powerful system and how the system is right now I would rather be stuck in a small confined cage with a rabid 115 lb German Sheperd than in a city with a beauracracy that can make mistakes with my records that are life-long and hard-hitting.

ID cards? I can understand that. Use our Drivers' Licenses, or Passports.

But I'm not going to let people take my fingerprints, my DNA, and a catloguing of my posessions without consent.

I have personal freedom, and I like it that way.

[Hylander_1314]

Well, all that stuff didn't help me with identity theft. The jerk committed all kinds of crimes that the authorities were willing to hang me for.

The only thing that helped save my bacon were all the folks I know in law enforcement, and they went to bat for me.

Bottom line, it doesn't help. Nor will the chip that you can put into your pet.

Brave New World, 1984, Farenhiet 451, even though they are stories and or film entertainment, they show that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and people can be controlled like cattle.

If you want to retain your Liberty, it requires your diligence and willingness to get involved, which most people don't want to care about.

Or as Ben Franklin put it, "they that would trade Liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty, nor safety."