From the Kaptain

[ref]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Kpt. Lehmann and Teddy Bar, Get Adult!

Stop flaming each others mod's.
It's just getting Silly!

Did you read the post ?, no one of the GW has insulted/flamed anybody.

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[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Kpt. Lehmann and Teddy Bar, Get Adult!

Stop flaming each others mod's.
It's just getting Silly!

You will notice that in the process of dealing with Teddy Barr...

NOT ONCE... did I "flame his mods" or insult any of his team-mates works, effort, intent, or attitude.

We've let DTB's subtle little digs, pokes, and insults go long enough without answer.

Allowing them to go further would mean that we consent with his ideas and attitude.

Unfortunately, due to distance and expense... we cannot have a meeting face-to-face to talk about respect. Therefore, we are forced to use this means to deal with the problem.

[The Noob]

Alright, i change my post to:

Teddy Bar, Get Adult!
Stop flaming GW just because it's concurence to NYGM.
It's just getting Silly!
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Is everyone pleased with this?

[Salvadoreno]

Where is Teddy Bar anyway? I havent heard anything from him in quite a while. IM so excited about the new NYGM and coastal command and additions but i wanna kno when it comes out. Oh well two more weeks and my finals are OVER. SUMMERTIME is gonna consist of work/play/and more play..

But i posted my feelings on the GW sticky.

[Ducimus]

Oh im sure he's around. Im sure he'll be sending Kpt. Lehmann scathing PM's and vigriously defending/supporting his position sometime today.

I was in a nice PM bout with him too, but after i had my say after the 2nd or so PM, i just deleted whatever he wrote back, as whatever he had to say, i really didn't care, and it was too early in the morning for that bull**** at the time anyway. Shame really, i really used to have a really good opinion and favorable impression of him. My thoughts now, im keeping to myself, suffice to say, they arent good. Back to the silence of the peanut gallery with me now, ive said entirely too much already.

[The Noob]

Teddy Bar would you please change your Behaivor, otherwise you 'Might' get hit with the Ban-Hammer, and i would not like to see that.

[Scorpius]

Well i guess this is bad news. Always sorry to hear bad news.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Oh im sure he's around. Im sure he'll be sending Kpt. Lehmann scathing PM's and vigriously defending/supporting his position sometime today.

I was in a nice PM bout with him too, but after i had my say after the 2nd or so PM, i just deleted whatever he wrote back, as whatever he had to say, i really didn't care, and it was too early in the morning for that b.s. at the time anyway. Shame really, i really used to have a really good opinion and favorable impression of him. My thoughts now, im keeping to myself, suffice to say, they arent good. Back to the silence of the peanut gallery with me now, ive said entirely too much already.

There's no quicker way to lose respect and credibility within a field than to diss on your colleagues and peers in an attempt to make yourself look superior. I don't even have any understanding of the issue in question nor am I one that is being demeaned, but dTB has lost me with his childish behaviour.

To say "My post has no malice in it and is simply stating facts about the changes " and "read that as a straight forward statement of fact with no derogative undertones" after titling the thread "...what were you guys on" and saying "I am sadly amused to see the additions to the Sim.cfg files in the GW & CB versions. They show a total lack of proper testing and understanding of moding"...well...grow up.

Ironically, in attempting to undermine others' work, all dTB is doing is undermining his own team and product through his factionalising comments. To that end, I think NYGM needs to consider who their "public face" is. They may then like to ensure that their own product is 100% perfect before criticising others (can you imagine if Kpt Lehmann or anyone else dare criticised NYGM in the same fashion?!?).

As I've posted many times before, I was really looking forward to a GW+NYGM amalgam and saw that as the bee's knees of mods...but not now...I'll stick with GW.

[HEMISENT]

Yeah I guess I feel that way too. I spent a lot of time on that thread involved with back and forth testing between CB's work, Caspo's and others. I still feel that a lot of useful information came out of that whole experience. At the very least everyone involved was coming together for the common good of the game. One of the reasons I'm addicted to this stupid game is the attitude of most of the people here and the feeling of cameraderie that this forum provides.

I was a staunch supporter of DTB and the NYGM work and still consider it to be a fine piece of work by all involved. Up until the last couple days I never had any reason to take a serious look at GW other than for curiosity sake. Perhaps if I can finally get the darn thing to DL I'll give it a serious look.

TDB reminds me of Beery, always right even when he's wrong. I seem to recall awhile ago I informed beery that he was dead wrong about the DG and how it could be made less accurate - He vermently slated myself and all but called me a liar. In fact at every chance beery had I was slandered, even after a long absence he went right back to the same old BS. I refused to inform beery how to fix the DG because of his attitude.

TDB has said that you cant make the uboats have a positive bounacey like they did have in RL, that its hardcoded, well again I'm saying hes dead wrong, you can. Now considering the above, what do you think the chances are of me informing NYGM of how to do this. Ohh and just remember, I was proved right about the DG (and this is way before NYGM stated that they were the first to fix the DG).

I have no vested interest in RUB, GW, NYGM, IUB, Sink Them All, AOTD or any other major mod. But I'll always pass on what little bits I have or know to any1 who ask's and behaves nice. Those who's attitude dont stink. And thats why you will find little bits of my work in some of the bigger mods going and not other's. I find it very interesting that of all the mods out there its been the supposedly "100% Realisim Hardcore Mod's" that are driven by those with the worst egos and attitudes around.

[Observer]

This thread no long contributes anything positive and constructive to the development of SH3. It is clearly in violation of forum guidlines:

The Radio Room forum is not the place for flaming, spewing, or otherwise mouthing off. We do not allow posts where people are called idiots, morons, etc. We respect your freedom of speech, we ask that you respect our rules. You are welcome to express your opinion about games and other subjects. We do not want SUBSIM Review and the Radio Room forums to degenerate into a collection of *This game sux!!!!* and other immature rants. Like something or dislike something about a game, express your thoughts in reasoned and responsible terms. There are any number of forums which allow unbridled idiocy to reign, we want the Radio Room to be a civil, mature forum for discussions about naval and subsims, tactics, mods, playing tips, troubleshooting, and submarine topics in general. As such, we retain the right to edit and/or delete posts we find offensive. We also have the right to ban users who contribute to poisoning the well. Just as a radio talk host has the right to decide who he airs and a newspaper editor decides whose letters he prints and whose he throws away, the moderators in the Radio Room forums have final say on rants and spews they decide should be cut.

Personally, I find the behavior of all parties involved in the non-constructive discussion in this thread (as well as the other) to be despicable.

Mods: Please lock and or delete this thread as well. It has no place in this forum.

[JScones]

Observer, maybe you need to also have a "chat" with, and raise this with, your NYGM boss...

I stand by my comments above. dTB should accept responsibility for his behaviour, or do you consider it acceptable? I'm curious as you are commenting on everyone else's posts?

I have no more to say on the matter. The damage has been done (and you obviously know it).

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by HEMISENT

Yeah I guess I feel that way too. I spent a lot of time on that thread involved with back and forth testing between CB's work, Caspo's and others. I still feel that a lot of useful information came out of that whole experience. At the very least everyone involved was coming together for the common good of the game. One of the reasons I'm addicted to this stupid game is the attitude of most of the people here and the feeling of cameraderie that this forum provides.

I was a staunch supporter of DTB and the NYGM work and still consider it to be a fine piece of work by all involved. Up until the last couple days I never had any reason to take a serious look at GW other than for curiosity sake. Perhaps if I can finally get the darn thing to DL I'll give it a serious look.

If you continue to have DL problems, let me know and I will mail you a disk. Your thoughts on any element of GW are certainly welcome.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Observer

This thread no long contributes anything positive and constructive to the development of SH3. It is clearly in violation of forum guidlines:

Personally, I find the behavior of all parties involved in the non-constructive discussion in this thread (as well as the other) to be despicable.

Mods: Please lock and or delete this thread as well. It has no place in this forum.

Considering what has and is occuring with Teddy Barr's attitude, I think we should involve Mr. Stevens himself.

This is a simple case of people living in glass houses and throwing rocks. Teddy Barr opened the can of worms and the GW mod team responded.

Did you guys really expect anything different? Our team can quote those same forum rules right back in return given the circumstances.

As far as failing to be constructive is concerned, I disagree. This thread can serve a purpose IF FOR NO OTHER REASON than to clarify the common respect that one person or group of people should show another person or group of people. NOT ONCE... did I "flame his mods" or insult any of his team-mates works, effort, intent, or attitude.

It wasn't the GW team that fired "the shot heard 'round the forum."

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Considering what has and is occuring with Teddy Barr's attitude, I think we should involve Mr. Stevens himself.

Your talking about the Ban-Hammer Aren't you?