GW water, Too dark! - Page 2

04-03-06, 08:59 PM

I just got the minitweaker, but I'm pretty
much clueless as how to use it to make
underwater brighter.

I downloaded tweakfiles too and opened
scene.txt and got to 'underwaterfogend=12' line,
but can't figure out what to do next.

Can anybody help?

Or can I use .dat file editor if there's any?
If there's one, where can I get it?

(thryo, tweaker here
http://u-boot.realsimulation.com/

SH mods (general section), under heading SH3...

jasonb885 · 04-03-06, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

Quote:

Originally Posted by tycho102

I wish mods would stop fiddling with the water clarity. The only explaination is to inhibit the use of the external camera.

It is to stop the periscope being used under water to cheat!

It is easy to unrealistically use the periscope to see all around you and use this to avoid escort ships & sea mines.

Then don't use the periscope then?

Now things are so complicated with 16km mod I can't even revert to what I was perfectly happy with.

This is my only outstanding issue with TM...

04-03-06, 10:47 PM

For a different water colour Time Travelers colour inspector would be the better option. For Underwater Fog settings then Time Travelers minitweaker is the go. With both ppl can get just what they like.

I set my fog to Fog Close 16m/Fog Far 22m (I hexedit mine tho). And colour I changed back to default (I dont like the feeling of flying through space instead of being underwater).

Why did I do this, because I just like to watch the light refraction/reflections on my boat as it plies along underwater. To me this is 1 of the best FX in the game. It feels like a waste to me to not be able to see it anymore.

04-03-06, 11:35 PM

Hello Cdre Gibs,

Could you be more specific, like how you export
tweaked values to SH3 folder?

I would really appreciate if you could lay down the
whole underwater model tweaking process step by step.
(sorry for asking too much)

geralt · 04-04-06, 07:21 AM

- start Minitweaker
- open tweak file "scene_dat.txt"
- select category "underwater"
- enter new value for "UnderwaterFogEnd" (higher for cleaner water) and save this new value
- close minitweaker
- go to your X:\SH3 folder\data and delete file "copy of scene.dat"

Karl-Heinz Jaeger · 04-04-06, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tycho102

I agree with the original post.

I wish mods would stop fiddling with the water clarity.

No-one forced you to install it. If you don't like it, don't run it.

04-04-06, 08:57 AM

Thanks geralt,

but not much luck for me.

I increased fogend values and got much
cleaner and sharper underwater but too dark
blue color is still there. Maybe I should've posed
my question differently at the start. Yeah, I want
to change underwater color to stock one but...

After Kpt. Lehmann's deckgun fix, underwater color
is the only problem I have with GW. Other than this
I'm very happy with GW. I guess I'll just go with the
mod's underwater.

Too bad I can't see bubbles rising from my sub... Dang

geralt · 04-04-06, 11:51 AM

about the colour...
I didn't change it but probably you have to edit the ENV files EnvColors_arct.dat, EnvColors_atl.dat, EnvColors_med.dat in SH3\data\env folder. Compare the GW and stock version but I can't say which values are important... just a suggestion you may try to revert to stock some of these: ambientlightcolor, waterlightcolor, waterdarkcolor or the underwater* will be a hard job cos each env file has 21 categories

I hope someone will show you the right direction

Der Teddy Bar · 04-04-06, 03:49 PM

Guys,
First of all the NYGM is a Realism Mod, as such, we will as best as possible deliver this as long as gameplay is not negatively impacted.

Your version and my version of 'not negatively impacted' are different as I see no negative impact from making the periscope a non-all seeing item when submerged.

I cannot stand the arguement 'Then don't use it'... Imagine if the Devs just said that for everything? Don't use it instead of not having it and/or giving you an option? Not acceptable when it comes to games and the same for Mods.

As far as options go, we can try and include some, but we cannot accomodate everyone's needs as often there are many cross overs.

Anyway, the solution is... Use TimeTravellers Minitweaker and open the scene_dat.txt then set the value UnderwaterFogEnd in scene.dat file to the original value of 18, currently 7.

You will find the UnderwaterFogEnd in the 'underwater' drop down menu.

04-04-06, 05:15 PM

I've tried that already and got some result.
But my problem is more of underwater color
issue than fog or clarity one as I found out.

I guess there's no simple way to change the
GW underwater color to the stock one unless
someone in the GW team lays out in detail how
to go back for people who are not happy with
the new underwater model. But I guess it'll be
too much to ask...

Thanks for your help anyway!

04-03-06, 08:59 PM	#16
midshipsnake Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I just got the minitweaker, but I'm pretty much clueless as how to use it to make underwater brighter. I downloaded tweakfiles too and opened scene.txt and got to 'underwaterfogend=12' line, but can't figure out what to do next. Can anybody help? Or can I use .dat file editor if there's any? If there's one, where can I get it? (thryo, tweaker here http://u-boot.realsimulation.com/ SH mods (general section), under heading SH3...

04-03-06, 10:47 PM	#18
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	For a different water colour Time Travelers colour inspector would be the better option. For Underwater Fog settings then Time Travelers minitweaker is the go. With both ppl can get just what they like. I set my fog to Fog Close 16m/Fog Far 22m (I hexedit mine tho). And colour I changed back to default (I dont like the feeling of flying through space instead of being underwater). Why did I do this, because I just like to watch the light refraction/reflections on my boat as it plies along underwater. To me this is 1 of the best FX in the game. It feels like a waste to me to not be able to see it anymore.

04-03-06, 11:35 PM	#19
midshipsnake Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hello Cdre Gibs, Could you be more specific, like how you export tweaked values to SH3 folder? I would really appreciate if you could lay down the whole underwater model tweaking process step by step. (sorry for asking too much)

04-04-06, 07:21 AM	#20
geralt Loader Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Czech rep. Posts: 90 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	- start Minitweaker - open tweak file "scene_dat.txt" - select category "underwater" - enter new value for "UnderwaterFogEnd" (higher for cleaner water) and save this new value - close minitweaker - go to your X:\SH3 folder\data and delete file "copy of scene.dat"

04-04-06, 08:57 AM	#22
midshipsnake Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Thanks geralt, but not much luck for me. I increased fogend values and got much cleaner and sharper underwater but too dark blue color is still there. Maybe I should've posed my question differently at the start. Yeah, I want to change underwater color to stock one but... After Kpt. Lehmann's deckgun fix, underwater color is the only problem I have with GW. Other than this I'm very happy with GW. I guess I'll just go with the mod's underwater. Too bad I can't see bubbles rising from my sub... Dang

04-04-06, 11:51 AM	#23
geralt Loader Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Czech rep. Posts: 90 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	about the colour... I didn't change it but probably you have to edit the ENV files EnvColors_arct.dat, EnvColors_atl.dat, EnvColors_med.dat in SH3\data\env folder. Compare the GW and stock version but I can't say which values are important... just a suggestion you may try to revert to stock some of these: ambientlightcolor, waterlightcolor, waterdarkcolor or the underwater* will be a hard job cos each env file has 21 categories I hope someone will show you the right direction

04-04-06, 03:49 PM	#24
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Guys, First of all the NYGM is a Realism Mod, as such, we will as best as possible deliver this as long as gameplay is not negatively impacted. Your version and my version of 'not negatively impacted' are different as I see no negative impact from making the periscope a non-all seeing item when submerged. I cannot stand the arguement 'Then don't use it'... Imagine if the Devs just said that for everything? Don't use it instead of not having it and/or giving you an option? Not acceptable when it comes to games and the same for Mods. As far as options go, we can try and include some, but we cannot accomodate everyone's needs as often there are many cross overs. Anyway, the solution is... Use TimeTravellers Minitweaker and open the scene_dat.txt then set the value UnderwaterFogEnd in scene.dat file to the original value of 18, currently 7. You will find the UnderwaterFogEnd in the 'underwater' drop down menu.

04-04-06, 05:15 PM	#25
midshipsnake Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I've tried that already and got some result. But my problem is more of underwater color issue than fog or clarity one as I found out. I guess there's no simple way to change the GW underwater color to the stock one unless someone in the GW team lays out in detail how to go back for people who are not happy with the new underwater model. But I guess it'll be too much to ask... Thanks for your help anyway!