Terrorist attack in Paris, France - Page 2

Catfish · 11-14-15, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HW3

ISIS is claiming responsibility .....

You are claiming WHAT? You are cowardly PIGS, nothing else, and you have neither control nor anything, you pompous pricks.

Taking hostages and killing is the most cowardly action at all, and if Mohammed lived he would kill you all!

Why can't we build up a multi-national task foce and free the earth from those idiots. Is there any national support for ISIS, apart from Turkey and Erdoghan?

Oberon · 11-14-15, 06:46 AM

Rome? Why the heck would they want to hit Rome? What have the Italians done to annoy Daesh?

London and Washington, fair enough...but Rome?
The Vatican, I suppose would be the only logical target there, I don't recall the Italian government doing much in Syria or Iraq in recent years.

I imagine the Vatican is well guarded though, but there's not a lot you can do to guard against such attacks as these, they are by their very definition surprise attacks.

Gatwick airport in the UK has been closed this morning, reports vary for the reason, some say that a grenade was found in someones luggage, others say that a gun was found.
Europe is going to be very jumpy for the next week or two.

Tchocky · 11-14-15, 07:45 AM

I know people tend to get a bit suspicious about online privacy when it comes to Facebook, but it was a huge relief this morning to see my friends in Paris marked as "safe".

Was planning a visit there soon, and with EODM being one of my favourite groups and definitely compatible with my mates there....doesn't bear thinking about.

Lots of pilots this morning passing on messages of support when they heard an Air France voice on the frequency.

Sometimes it's the little things.

Jimbuna · 11-14-15, 07:48 AM

A terribly tragic set of acts

My condolences to all those families and friends of the victims and especially to those of my nephews friend who it currently looks like was killed at the concert.

Oberon · 11-14-15, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I know people tend to get a bit suspicious about online privacy when it comes to Facebook, but it was a huge relief this morning to see my friends in Paris marked as "safe".

Yes, facebook did a good thing there.

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Was planning a visit there soon, and with EODM being one of my favourite groups and definitely compatible with my mates there....doesn't bear thinking about.

It does come as a shock and when you do go, I imagine you'll have this day in the back of your mind, as I did the first time I took the underground after 7/7.

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Lots of pilots this morning passing on messages of support when they heard an Air France voice on the frequency.

Sometimes it's the little things.

Bless them, it's good to hear of the little things.

Hope you're coping with the traffic problems from Gatwick.

Sorry to hear of your nephews friend, Jim.

Tchocky · 11-14-15, 07:56 AM

So sorry to hear that, Jim.

There's almost nothing to say except I suppose you can pass on condolences from the guys at Subsim :/

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Jimbuna · 11-14-15, 08:22 AM

Cheers gents....it's a bit strange the sadness I'm feeling for someone I never actually met but the seeing way my nephew is taking it really hits hard.

ikalugin · 11-14-15, 08:30 AM

Condolences.

Bilge_Rat · 11-14-15, 08:37 AM

shocking, my condolences to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Why can't we build up a multi-national task foce and free the earth from those idiots. Is there any national support for ISIS, apart from Turkey and Erdoghan?

we all know why, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya all turned into quagmires or failed states. Obama was elected on a anti war platform and even U.S. veterans have no wish to go back to Iraq.

No one really seemed to care when ISIS killed 200 Russians in the Sinai since, well they are Russians.

However this is a game changer. The French kicked ass in Mali and I would not be surprised is they want to do the same thing now with ISIS.

The real question and the one we have been asking for years is, what will the U.S. do ?

Oberon · 11-14-15, 08:49 AM

Saudi Arabia supports Daesh, primarily because Daesh are fighting against Assad who Iran supports. I think the Saudis also support the other opposition groups, basically if they're shooting at Assads forces then the Saudis will give them money to continue doing so. Turkey is in much the same boat, it's not so much to do with radical Islam but regional geopolitics, with Turkey wanting to keep Syria down, and Saudi Arabia wanting to block Iran from becoming a major regional player.

The west sticking our hands into this, it's tricky and must be done very carefully or it'll be akin to putting our hands into a blender.

Tchocky · 11-14-15, 08:54 AM

That might be the most depressing aspect of the aftermath - there's still no right answer to Syria/Iraq, even after horror so close to home.

I hold out some hope that this might affect the softer side - the financing and support of IS from wealthy Gulf states. That might be one place where Western countries might be able to exercise some true influence and cut the legs out from under IS.

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Hope you're coping with the traffic problems from Gatwick.

I was on the early shift and was out the door before anything was heard. Would have made things tricky if inbounds were restricted as today's weather in S England meant many airports couldn't accept any diversions

vienna · 11-14-15, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Saudi Arabia supports Daesh, primarily because Daesh are fighting against Assad who Iran supports. I think the Saudis also support the other opposition groups, basically if they're shooting at Assads forces then the Saudis will give them money to continue doing so. Turkey is in much the same boat, it's not so much to do with radical Islam but regional geopolitics, with Turkey wanting to keep Syria down, and Saudi Arabia wanting to block Iran from becoming a major regional player.

The west sticking our hands into this, it's tricky and must be done very carefully or it'll be akin to putting our hands into a blender.

The Saudis and the Iranians are engaging in proxy wars, much as the US and USSR during the Cold War, particularly during the Reagan years. I really wish the Saudis would directly attack the Iranians or vice versa and put themselves out of the world's misery. As far as wealthy Saudis financially aiding and abetting ISIL, Al Qaeda, et al, I have no doubt the US and very, very likely other powers know the identity of those bastards; I would be very much in favor of diverting a few drones to visit upon those pompous oil-rich [insert expletive of your choice here] a bit of the destruction their actions mete out to the rest of the world...

I also give condolences to the victims and their families and friends. One of the images shown on TV here in LA was footage of French soccer fans being evacuated from the stadium; as the filed out, they were singing La Marseillaise...

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Highbury · 11-14-15, 04:18 PM

My condolences to all the victims, and I also give thanks. My wife and a friend had been in Paris less than 12 hours when this all started. They are both unharmed and safe, but it was a very stressful time.

eddie · 11-14-15, 04:43 PM

I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11?

When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that?

When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that?

Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time.

I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic.

Skybird · 11-14-15, 04:47 PM

Question: is this WWIII already?

11-14-15, 07:45 AM	#18
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I know people tend to get a bit suspicious about online privacy when it comes to Facebook, but it was a huge relief this morning to see my friends in Paris marked as "safe". Was planning a visit there soon, and with EODM being one of my favourite groups and definitely compatible with my mates there....doesn't bear thinking about. Lots of pilots this morning passing on messages of support when they heard an Air France voice on the frequency. Sometimes it's the little things. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-14-15, 07:48 AM	#19
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,844 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A terribly tragic set of acts My condolences to all those families and friends of the victims and especially to those of my nephews friend who it currently looks like was killed at the concert. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-14-15, 07:56 AM	#21
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	So sorry to hear that, Jim. There's almost nothing to say except I suppose you can pass on condolences from the guys at Subsim :/ Looking around for something to do - Secours Populaire Francais - French anti-poverty, natural disaster, conflict relief charity. Donate here Secours Catholique - Catholic relief organisation, emergency and crisis help. Donate here Red Cross - https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-14-15, 08:22 AM	#22
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,844 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Cheers gents....it's a bit strange the sadness I'm feeling for someone I never actually met but the seeing way my nephew is taking it really hits hard. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-14-15, 08:30 AM	#23
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Condolences. __________________ Grumpy as always.

11-14-15, 06:46 AM	#17
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Rome? Why the heck would they want to hit Rome? What have the Italians done to annoy Daesh? London and Washington, fair enough...but Rome? The Vatican, I suppose would be the only logical target there, I don't recall the Italian government doing much in Syria or Iraq in recent years. I imagine the Vatican is well guarded though, but there's not a lot you can do to guard against such attacks as these, they are by their very definition surprise attacks. Gatwick airport in the UK has been closed this morning, reports vary for the reason, some say that a grenade was found in someones luggage, others say that a gun was found. Europe is going to be very jumpy for the next week or two.

11-14-15, 08:49 AM	#25
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Saudi Arabia supports Daesh, primarily because Daesh are fighting against Assad who Iran supports. I think the Saudis also support the other opposition groups, basically if they're shooting at Assads forces then the Saudis will give them money to continue doing so. Turkey is in much the same boat, it's not so much to do with radical Islam but regional geopolitics, with Turkey wanting to keep Syria down, and Saudi Arabia wanting to block Iran from becoming a major regional player. The west sticking our hands into this, it's tricky and must be done very carefully or it'll be akin to putting our hands into a blender.

11-14-15, 04:18 PM	#28
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	My condolences to all the victims, and I also give thanks. My wife and a friend had been in Paris less than 12 hours when this all started. They are both unharmed and safe, but it was a very stressful time.

11-14-15, 04:43 PM	#29
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11? When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that? When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that? Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time. I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

11-14-15, 04:47 PM	#30
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,705 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Question: is this WWIII already? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.