Terrorist attack in Paris, France

[Oberon]

Saudi Arabia supports Daesh, primarily because Daesh are fighting against Assad who Iran supports. I think the Saudis also support the other opposition groups, basically if they're shooting at Assads forces then the Saudis will give them money to continue doing so. Turkey is in much the same boat, it's not so much to do with radical Islam but regional geopolitics, with Turkey wanting to keep Syria down, and Saudi Arabia wanting to block Iran from becoming a major regional player.

The west sticking our hands into this, it's tricky and must be done very carefully or it'll be akin to putting our hands into a blender.

[Tchocky]

That might be the most depressing aspect of the aftermath - there's still no right answer to Syria/Iraq, even after horror so close to home.

I hold out some hope that this might affect the softer side - the financing and support of IS from wealthy Gulf states. That might be one place where Western countries might be able to exercise some true influence and cut the legs out from under IS.

Hope you're coping with the traffic problems from Gatwick.

I was on the early shift and was out the door before anything was heard. Would have made things tricky if inbounds were restricted as today's weather in S England meant many airports couldn't accept any diversions

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Saudi Arabia supports Daesh, primarily because Daesh are fighting against Assad who Iran supports. I think the Saudis also support the other opposition groups, basically if they're shooting at Assads forces then the Saudis will give them money to continue doing so. Turkey is in much the same boat, it's not so much to do with radical Islam but regional geopolitics, with Turkey wanting to keep Syria down, and Saudi Arabia wanting to block Iran from becoming a major regional player.

The west sticking our hands into this, it's tricky and must be done very carefully or it'll be akin to putting our hands into a blender.

The Saudis and the Iranians are engaging in proxy wars, much as the US and USSR during the Cold War, particularly during the Reagan years. I really wish the Saudis would directly attack the Iranians or vice versa and put themselves out of the world's misery. As far as wealthy Saudis financially aiding and abetting ISIL, Al Qaeda, et al, I have no doubt the US and very, very likely other powers know the identity of those bastards; I would be very much in favor of diverting a few drones to visit upon those pompous oil-rich [insert expletive of your choice here] a bit of the destruction their actions mete out to the rest of the world...


I also give condolences to the victims and their families and friends. One of the images shown on TV here in LA was footage of French soccer fans being evacuated from the stadium; as the filed out, they were singing La Marseillaise...


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[Highbury]

My condolences to all the victims, and I also give thanks. My wife and a friend had been in Paris less than 12 hours when this all started. They are both unharmed and safe, but it was a very stressful time.

[eddie]

I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11?

When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that?

When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that?

Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time.

I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic.

[Skybird]

Question: is this WWIII already?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Question: is this WWIII already?

The Pope said that some years ago.

Otherwise I really don't know, what does it take to say-yes now it is WWIII

Markus

[CaptainRamius]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Question: is this WWIII already?

Never know, countries are already air striking ISIS, this could turn into another Desert Storm, or worse.

EDIT: I just posted a thread talking about the Paris attacks. Oops

[CaptainRamius]

Not sure if anyone knows, but several Kalashnikovs were found in a SEAT near the suburbs. BBC says that some attackers might have gotten away.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34825080

[Eichhörnchen]

I heard on Radio4 this afternoon that it's quite possible a NATO intervention could be invoked under the Treaty terms.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by eddie

I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11?

When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that?

When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that?

Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time.

I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic.

Good point Eddie. I hadn't heard of the things you mentioned other than the Russian aircraft that went down last week. I need to listen to the news more but there is never any good news there. It seems life today has no value at all with these crazies . I think they are in the minority though. Sadly, that minority can hurt and kill many as they did last night. As far as the Russian aircraft,The only difference was that Russia didn't know what brought down their aircraft, not that it matters at all. What does matter is the Russian people lost on that aircraft were just as innocent and minding their own business going home .

Deepest sympathies to Russia for the lives lost on their aircraft as well as their families and friends and to Jim as well for the loss of his nephews friend and to France and the families of those lost last night that they can find some healing.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by eddie

I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11?

When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that?

When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that?

Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time.

I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic.

Eddie, I don't think it's anyone cares less about Russian lives but people sadly, are used to airliners going down with an average of 100-200 or so people killed.Given airliners are a favorite target of terrorists as history shows, not shocked it was islamic terrorists who brought it down.


The attacks France were a military like operation on Friday night at a theater, bistro, etc and were shocking in not just the type of attacks but the death toll and injuries for "only" 8 people to carry out.

Not everyone will agree with this but I will admit, I am not as moved by death in Beirut, Afghanistan etc unless are my own people.Nothing to do with race etc but those places are pits of the world, have been a long time and nothing changes.The "ordinary" people should have banded together and rose up to stop the madness but they don't, they just keep on following islam and living as they do.All they know, the US is Satan and they hate Israel lol.


Call it conceited but this is the classic clash of civilizations and when one side is stuck in another century and shows no signs, even the so called moderates, of reforming and joining the civilized world, people are bound to just not care.Suppose I can say I lose no sleep when a muslim in Beirut or Afghanistan dies, just does not bother me nor should it anyone.

Islam, especially the radical branch of it that actually manifests itself as terrorism is a cancer they we can and must defeat, just takes the iron will and resolve as the civilized world had to defeat our enemies of the past such as japan, hitler etc. Savage as they were, seem mild compared to islam.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Not everyone will agree with this but I will admit, I am not as moved by death in Beirut, Afghanistan etc unless are my own people.Nothing to do with race etc...


Suppose I can say I lose no sleep when a muslim in Beirut or Afghanistan dies, just does not bother me nor should it anyone.

Get your DNA checked. See if you're human.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by u crank

Get your DNA checked. See if you're human.

Plenty human, just not weak.Too many people are conditioned to be weak in our society and not understand the enemy hates you and will murder you, will not show the compassion so many naive and weak minded people.

Imagine if we treated the Japanese and Nazis this way? The war would have ended differently.Also, these people can not be reasoned with in any way shape of form.War is hell, they started and declared this war.We have tried to tolerate them, more than we should.Time to get serious.That means I shut off part of me that should care, I do because have to do.Hopefully we will get a crop of leaders who will act the same and handle these savages with extreme prejudice.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Plenty human, just not weak.

The people that you so callously dismiss in 'Beirut, Afghanistan etc' are victims of terrorism plain and simple. Your prejudiced is so obvious. Why beat around the bush? Tell us exactly what you mean.