Be aware of Obamacare

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

It sure seems like the government wants to kill us all.

That is its primary function. All conflict derives from have-nots coveting the haves. Any ruler or governing body historically, will insure it's own existence at the expense of the governee, the more so when no longer offering anything of value either from internal decay- moral or infrastructure- or simply inevitable devaluation of the paper-based medium of exchange...inflation of the buck( Im Gott we trust?). Soak yer hands in ice water daily so they're used to it when they pry your gun from 'em too, as a final measure of futile suzerainty when the myth of your inalienable rights becomes fully manifest...and the universal medium of exchange...no doubt covered under ObamaCare, will be tubes of ASTROGLIDE the nether regions once again!

[Bubblehead1980]

Sorry to hear this Armistead. Although, are we sure this was caused by obamacare, that they didn't give her the meds? or just negligence by the staff? That, sadly does happen.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sorry to hear this Armistead. Although, are we sure this was caused by obamacare, that they didn't give her the meds? or just negligence by the staff? That, sadly does happen.

Mix of both, but mostly the new regulations and fines imposed by Obamacare while people are in observation....If people are placed in observation, they absorb more of the cost, an Obamacare savings, plus much lower care. Still, the Doctors were stupid and careless, but small town, small hospital, bankrupt, good Drs. been leaving the area.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Mix of both, but mostly the new regulations and fines imposed by Obamacare while people are in observation....If people are placed in observation, they absorb more of the cost, an Obamacare savings, plus much lower care. Still, the Doctors were stupid and careless, but small town, small hospital, bankrupt, good Drs. been leaving the area.

Sorry to hear that.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Saddened to hear of your troubles Armistead but, not unexpected with the new healthcare reforms. The reforms were not made in anyone's best interest other than the money grubbing insurance companies.

We all know that we are scheduled to expire at some point and now the government has decided to hasten the date in the interest of the all mighty dollar. It may turn out to rival the holocaust. At least it sure seems to be the plan to cast off what they consider the unproductive refuse of our society.
Those of us who aren't rich enough to pay our medical bills are destined for boot hill, sooner than later. I get closer to it with each passing minute due to suffering a massive stroke back in November of 2000. At that time, our local hospital tried to transfer me to another facility that refused to treat me and would not accept the transfer. I spent three days in ICU where I was left to flounder with port side limbs that didn't function properly anymore. I had trouble feeding myself and they did not care. Just as well, the food sucked anyway.

I have checked the ACA insurance marketplace to get this mandatory health insurance for milady and found out that the least expensive policy is $175.00 a month for suck arse benefits. Couple that cost with the high prices of everything and you end up juggling your bills and making a decision between food or electricity or medicine.
It sure seems like the government wants to kill us all.

Precisely why we needed healthcare reform in the first place. What kind of garbage system does that to the sick and helpless?

I dont know what you expected for 175 bucks a month. For health insurance, that's a pittance. Insurance companies have, are, and always will find every way they can to screw you. This isnt news. This wasnt brought about suddenly. The difference is that now they cant offer 100 dollar plans with virtually no coverage at all and get away with it. And since they cant get away with it, they just dumped the loss of those lost extorted profits onto everybody else.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Precisely why we needed healthcare reform in the first place. What kind of garbage system does that to the sick and helpless?

I dont know what you expected for 175 bucks a month. For health insurance, that's a pittance. Insurance companies have, are, and always will find every way they can to screw you. This isnt news. This wasnt brought about suddenly. The difference is that now they cant offer 100 dollar plans with virtually no coverage at all and get away with it. And since they cant get away with it, they just dumped the loss of those lost extorted profits onto everybody else.

One would think that the primary goal of the ACA should actually be Affordable Care for everyone. It doesn't come close in any way, shape or form. It's just another government induced financial responsibility law, similar to auto insurance. Those on the government forced retirement, aka, Social Security will be hard pressed to budget for an additional monthly bill to buy a health policy that doesn't cover the exorbitant costs of modern health care. Only to be left with a high co-pay for any treatment received. Next stop is bill collector harassment.
Just what sick people need.
Since all people are being forced to purchase this crap, wouldn't it be better to just create a super group coverage policy? Then we all win to a degree. That might even eliminate the need for government subsidy of premiums for the lower income brackets.
Bottom line is... only the insurance providers will come out smelling like roses and we all get sheep dipped.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

One would think that the primary goal of the ACA should actually be Affordable Care for everyone. It doesn't come close in any way, shape or form. It's just another government induced financial responsibility law, similar to auto insurance. Those on the government forced retirement, aka, Social Security will be hard pressed to budget for an additional monthly bill to buy a health policy that doesn't cover the exorbitant costs of modern health care. Only to be left with a high co-pay for any treatment received. Next stop is bill collector harassment.
Just what sick people need.
Since all people are being forced to purchase this crap, wouldn't it be better to just create a super group coverage policy? Then we all win to a degree. That might even eliminate the need for government subsidy of premiums for the lower income brackets.
Bottom line is... only the insurance providers will come out smelling like roses and we all get sheep dipped.

It’s unsurprising that large health insurance companies are enjoying the fruits of mandatory Obamacare regulations, since they helped write them in the first place.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

One would think that the primary goal of the ACA should actually be Affordable Care for everyone. It doesn't come close in any way, shape or form. It's just another government induced financial responsibility law, similar to auto insurance. Those on the government forced retirement, aka, Social Security will be hard pressed to budget for an additional monthly bill to buy a health policy that doesn't cover the exorbitant costs of modern health care. Only to be left with a high co-pay for any treatment received. Next stop is bill collector harassment.
Just what sick people need.
Since all people are being forced to purchase this crap, wouldn't it be better to just create a super group coverage policy? Then we all win to a degree. That might even eliminate the need for government subsidy of premiums for the lower income brackets.
Bottom line is... only the insurance providers will come out smelling like roses and we all get sheep dipped.

Except that all of that was happening BEFORE the ACA on just as large a scale. Frankly the ACA is a misguided step in the right direction. You're correct, it does little to nothing to stem the actual cost of healthcare itself (which the insurance companies have jacked up to outrageous sums). What it does do is address some of the other major issues with healthcare, such as people with pre-existing conditions essentially being left to die. It doesn't address every issue, and it addresses some issues rather poorly, but it still has beneficial measures.

As far as the "mandate" that people buy insurance (OR pay a fine), it would be a much better and more practical idea if the ACA actually addressed the cost of healthcare. The idea itself is no different than mandating car insurance. You can be the best driver in the world, doesnt mean you cant get in an accident. And if the other guy has no insurance, who pays? You do, or you indirectly pay through your insurance company who jacks up rates to spread the cost. The same can be said about healthcare. You can be perfectly healthy and lose both your legs in an accident, or suddenly develop cancer, or suffer massive injures in a crash, or any NUMBER of emergencies/unforseen accidents. And if youre an average earner and choose not to have insurance, who pays for that 70000+ dollar hospital bill? Everybody else. Ergo, its time for people to put their share in, either by paying for their own insurance or putting money back into our collective coffers. The concept, of course, is idealistic and not practical because the ACA didn't address the cost of healthcare, putting some in a worse position than they should be by forcing them to pay for what we already know are astronomical premiums.

What the ACA needs is a huge overhaul, a complete revision that gets things done and is free of useless compromises that destroy the whole purpose and effectiveness of the bill. One that addresses the mind-numbing price gouging that the insurance companies, private hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies employ to extort our sick and helpless for profit. One that actually works towards lowering the cost of healthcare directly.

[Cybermat47]

Sorry to hear of your mother-in-law's condition Armistead.

[CaptainHaplo]

Your family will be in our prayers.

[CaptainHaplo]

I think the perception here that its due to the ACA (aka Obamacare) is incorrect. While the law sucks, as AVG pointed out - this type of thing has happened well before the ACA. And I am on the record as stating the ACA is a huge error/flop.

What I find appalling is that palliative care is being withheld at this point. That is inexcusable.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What I find appalling is that palliative care is being withheld at this point. That is inexcusable.

That is my thinking as well.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What I find appalling is that palliative care is being withheld at this point. That is inexcusable.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That is my thinking as well.

Agree 100%.
Where this may not be a direct result of BOcare, it may certainly be a sign of things to come.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What I find appalling is that palliative care is being withheld at this point. That is inexcusable.

I do not believe there is no palliative care. Armstead did not state there was no care that I'm aware of. This type of care has been normally handled through hospice organizations. Hospitals will do the same.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Father Goose

Agree 100%.
Where this may not be a direct result of BOcare, it may certainly be a sign of things to come.

Signs of things to come? Hospice care has been in use for decades. It is not things that are to come. It has been around for a very long time.