CTD while playing SH3 - Page 2

BigWalleye · 10-05-13, 01:09 PM

Let's consider: my installation is completely stable. Yours experiences random (and possibly also systematic) CTDs. We presumably have different mod lists, different hardware, possibly different OSs. We probably use different conditions when we save a game. We presumably do use the same game engine, the file sh3.exe It is possibly the ONLY common element in our two installations. Standard fault analysis logic would infer that the ONLY element which could be eliminated as a source of your problems is the ONLY common element - sh3.exe. And. if the instability you observe is not in sh3.exe, then it is likely due to an incompatibility in your mod list, a limitation of your environment, or a quirk in the conditions of your game saves - anything EXCEPT an inherent error in the code of the game engine.

"I surely must say that CTD and errors occurs when you, in stress, suddently change views or something simular, nothing particular, the sim will crash and SH will close!" I have never observed anything similar to the behavior you describe. And no, I do not find that "SH3 GWX3 is a 'funny sim' to play!" It works fine for me.

The post you cite is 5 years and 4 SH3 versions old. I don't know how it might be relevant to SH3 v1.4. Do you?

- Occam's Razor gives a nice, clean shave.

BassII · 10-06-13, 07:24 AM

Ok, i know its an old thread, but i was just looking at the crashes at that time. Some similar obviously appears today also!

I understand your msg. Therefor i'll show you my system and mods.

System:
Win 7 pro 64.
i7-950 QC
2 X MSI Blackhawk ddr5 in sli
18gb ddr3 2000mhz

Mods:
4gb SH3.exe
GWX3
SH3 Commander
MaGui F
GWX3 All Weather Guns
WB's Deck Gun Range
4. WB's Renown Replacement
MEP v3 VisualSensors for gwx3
GWX - 16km Atmosphere
GWX - VIIC41 Player Sub

It could be a mod conflict, but i haven't installed any mod where i could see JSGME shows anything already inside the sim.

Well, a new tracking job in my hard sceduled retirement timetable has been noted

BigWalleye · 10-06-13, 10:25 AM

BassII, I wasn't around back then (I was around, but not playing SH3!), but AFAIK there were definitely code errors in the original release. ("Don't buy anything with a version number that ends in zero.") By v1.4, maybe sooner, those seem to have been cleaned up.

"Well, a new tracking job in my hard scheduled retirement timetable has been noted"

That really was what I was getting at. The game code is OK. If you have problems, you can decide to fix them, or decide to live with them, but you get to choose. My problems were unlivable, and it took me about a month to sort them out, but I have a good installation at the moment.

You certainly seem to have plenty of hardware power. I don't think that is a problem. And your mod list is pretty small with no obvious interactions. Have you ever yanked a mod out with JSGME when it was not on top of the stack. (JSGME will prevent you from removing overwritten mods, but taking out a mod in the middle can mess up JSGME's bookkeeping.) Have you made any changes using Commander? And have you EVER changed your mod list without rolling back Commander? This last one is a real No-No!

From what I have seen around this forum, the best way to get rid of problems (especially CTDs) that have no obvious cause is to do a clean re-install. Roll back Commander. Remove all mods. Uninstall SH3. Delete all residual folders, including the Mods/ folder and the game save folders in User/. Use a registry cleaner. Then reinstall everything. Hopefully, you have saved the downloaded zips of all your mods. No need to re-download, just use the zipped files as your source. See if that doesn't give you more stable performance. This sounds like more work than it actually is. With your mod list, you should be up and playing again in about an hour.

You are absolutely right about one thing: When you add a lot of mods, and when you muck about the data files the way Commander does, there are a lot of opportunities to screw something up. Sometimes, something small and subtle and deep, deep down, that you'll hardly ever see. Only now and then.

Let me say too that JSGME and SH3 Commander are wonderful programs. I wouldn't want to have to live without them. And they have a lot of safeguards built into them. But they are also powerful programs and it is possible to misuse them. They are not idiot-proof, as this idiot can attest!

If you want to read my tale of woe, here's the thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=205755 I had lots more stuff going on, and had lots of "minor" problems that added up to a BIG headache. You should have an easier time of it.

Good luck and good hunting! See you at the cabaret!

BassII · 10-06-13, 11:51 AM

Thanks again BigWalleye.

I did a clean install a few months ago, and i've learned to do it correctly! Also changing mods when in harbor! (Maybe one have split!)

Never ranked anything!(never seen that), i only install, what i need, with no interference on other installs.

I dont get headache

My wife do, dont know why

Lets go sailing......

BassII · 10-08-13, 10:27 AM

As BigWalleye said!

I need to point out one thing.
DONT MESS AROUND with mods or Commander while in patrol or game!
I did that with one mod, and i've tracked that down to my own stupidity!

Thank you, sir Kaleun

I will never do it again

BigWalleye · 10-08-13, 12:18 PM

Wanna see my scars?

biosthetique · 10-08-13, 05:13 PM

@Conus

I have a FNW MV, 64gig of ram, CPU @ 3.30Ghz, the OS is Win7 64bit.

I had a CTD last time, I upgraded the Video Card's drivers. And it was in Relation to your Wide screen Mod.

The new drivers changed automatically some scaling settings. I put them back the way they were before the new drivers and it works.

I bought a while ago SHIII from Steam, to be certain it was always compatible.

Of course I have installed the 6gig patch.

On another hand Windows always download some security patch for Office, Words, etc... and that can cause problems with SHIII.

Then, Steam also upgrades, and could create problems for certain old games.

I found that the secret of happiness, is to keep an old computer working on XP, and play the old games on it.

It is expensive proposition, yet it had been a good insurance against frustrations for some games that would not play anywhere else.

Kpt. Schaker · 10-21-13, 07:49 PM

Some sound file or mod file got corrupted during the transfer! As somebody mentioned it's kind of a trial and error! Fire up stock! Then, enabling 1 mod at a time and load! I once had a corrupted depthcharge wav file corrupted, the shake2.wav and everytime I was about to get depthcharged, the game use to CTD. The wav file got turned into a glitch during the transfer from usb stick. It is good when you back up mods to keep them compressed whether saved on usb memory stick or cd/dvdr.

conus00 · 10-22-13, 05:58 PM

I am officially giving up on this... I uninstalled SH3, cleaned registry and pulled all the mods from my archive. Still getting CTD.

I GUESS THERE IS SOMETHING SH3 DOES NOT LIKE ON MY COMPUTER!!!

I'm just really tired of trying. I will play it on my g/f's laptop whenever she is not using it. I'm thinking, in the future, to get some older PC, install XPs and keep it strictly for playing older games.

desertstriker · 10-22-13, 06:15 PM

I just realized have you tried running in off of C:\ ? in a different folder then program files. I only just thought of this after re reading your initial post.

conus00 · 10-23-13, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertstriker

I just realized have you tried running in off of C:\ ? in a different folder then program files. I only just thought of this after re reading your initial post.

Yep, tried that too. Installed directly to C:\SH3
No dice...

sublynx · 10-23-13, 02:14 AM

Have you tried cleaning the registry manually?

I could not reinstall SH3 into my Windows 7 recently and what helped was actually using regedit and search function. I found an SH3 line there that automatic registry cleaners had not found.

(I also found a line about Civilization IV Colonization and deleted that as well, as I had not been successful in reinstalling that game).

That helped with both games - and now I'm knocking on wood and stuffing my pockets with hare legs in hope that the games might stay operational on my computer for awhile. The biggest reason I haven't bought a faster computer is the hassle of trying to make SH3 etc essential programs working on the new one. But that is another subject.

Try manual editing if you haven't already

conus00 · 10-23-13, 03:23 AM

I have. Ran automatic Ccleaner and manually edited all SH3 entries through regedit.

Guys, trust me, I have tried EVERYTHING I can think of....

sublynx · 10-23-13, 04:59 AM

No help

I sat down, told the baby to shut up for a minute and did some memory digging in my brain. I remembered that one necessary step in getting both of those games that I mentioned running was according to this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=92562

I had to make the invisible folders seeable and the I had to do something in the install-shield folder. What it was I can't remember anymore.

Hope this helps. I'm 80 % certain that this is your system's problem as well. Good luck!

10-08-13, 05:13 PM	#22
biosthetique Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SD Posts: 266 Downloads: 652 Uploads: 0	@Conus I have a FNW MV, 64gig of ram, CPU @ 3.30Ghz, the OS is Win7 64bit. I had a CTD last time, I upgraded the Video Card's drivers. And it was in Relation to your Wide screen Mod. The new drivers changed automatically some scaling settings. I put them back the way they were before the new drivers and it works. I bought a while ago SHIII from Steam, to be certain it was always compatible. Of course I have installed the 6gig patch. On another hand Windows always download some security patch for Office, Words, etc... and that can cause problems with SHIII. Then, Steam also upgrades, and could create problems for certain old games. I found that the secret of happiness, is to keep an old computer working on XP, and play the old games on it. It is expensive proposition, yet it had been a good insurance against frustrations for some games that would not play anywhere else. Last edited by biosthetique; 10-09-13 at 09:54 AM.

10-23-13, 02:14 AM	#27
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	Have you tried cleaning the registry manually? I could not reinstall SH3 into my Windows 7 recently and what helped was actually using regedit and search function. I found an SH3 line there that automatic registry cleaners had not found. (I also found a line about Civilization IV Colonization and deleted that as well, as I had not been successful in reinstalling that game). That helped with both games - and now I'm knocking on wood and stuffing my pockets with hare legs in hope that the games might stay operational on my computer for awhile. The biggest reason I haven't bought a faster computer is the hassle of trying to make SH3 etc essential programs working on the new one. But that is another subject. Try manual editing if you haven't already __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

10-23-13, 04:59 AM	#29
sublynx Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In the conning tower of my VIIC scanning the sea through the periscope Posts: 1,698 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 7	No help I sat down, told the baby to shut up for a minute and did some memory digging in my brain. I remembered that one necessary step in getting both of those games that I mentioned running was according to this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=92562 I had to make the invisible folders seeable and the I had to do something in the install-shield folder. What it was I can't remember anymore. Hope this helps. I'm 80 % certain that this is your system's problem as well. Good luck! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] NYGM+H.sie v16+Stiebler 4C+MaGui WS

10-05-13, 01:09 PM	#16
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Let's consider: my installation is completely stable. Yours experiences random (and possibly also systematic) CTDs. We presumably have different mod lists, different hardware, possibly different OSs. We probably use different conditions when we save a game. We presumably do use the same game engine, the file sh3.exe It is possibly the ONLY common element in our two installations. Standard fault analysis logic would infer that the ONLY element which could be eliminated as a source of your problems is the ONLY common element - sh3.exe. And. if the instability you observe is not in sh3.exe, then it is likely due to an incompatibility in your mod list, a limitation of your environment, or a quirk in the conditions of your game saves - anything EXCEPT an inherent error in the code of the game engine. "I surely must say that CTD and errors occurs when you, in stress, suddently change views or something simular, nothing particular, the sim will crash and SH will close!" I have never observed anything similar to the behavior you describe. And no, I do not find that "SH3 GWX3 is a 'funny sim' to play!" It works fine for me. The post you cite is 5 years and 4 SH3 versions old. I don't know how it might be relevant to SH3 v1.4. Do you? - Occam's Razor gives a nice, clean shave.

10-06-13, 07:24 AM	#17
BassII Bosun Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Scandinavia. Posts: 62 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Ok, i know its an old thread, but i was just looking at the crashes at that time. Some similar obviously appears today also! I understand your msg. Therefor i'll show you my system and mods. System: Win 7 pro 64. i7-950 QC 2 X MSI Blackhawk ddr5 in sli 18gb ddr3 2000mhz Mods: 4gb SH3.exe GWX3 SH3 Commander MaGui F GWX3 All Weather Guns WB's Deck Gun Range 4. WB's Renown Replacement MEP v3 VisualSensors for gwx3 GWX - 16km Atmosphere GWX - VIIC41 Player Sub It could be a mod conflict, but i haven't installed any mod where i could see JSGME shows anything already inside the sim. Well, a new tracking job in my hard sceduled retirement timetable has been noted

10-06-13, 10:25 AM	#18
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	BassII, I wasn't around back then (I was around, but not playing SH3!), but AFAIK there were definitely code errors in the original release. ("Don't buy anything with a version number that ends in zero.") By v1.4, maybe sooner, those seem to have been cleaned up. "Well, a new tracking job in my hard scheduled retirement timetable has been noted" That really was what I was getting at. The game code is OK. If you have problems, you can decide to fix them, or decide to live with them, but you get to choose. My problems were unlivable, and it took me about a month to sort them out, but I have a good installation at the moment. You certainly seem to have plenty of hardware power. I don't think that is a problem. And your mod list is pretty small with no obvious interactions. Have you ever yanked a mod out with JSGME when it was not on top of the stack. (JSGME will prevent you from removing overwritten mods, but taking out a mod in the middle can mess up JSGME's bookkeeping.) Have you made any changes using Commander? And have you EVER changed your mod list without rolling back Commander? This last one is a real No-No! From what I have seen around this forum, the best way to get rid of problems (especially CTDs) that have no obvious cause is to do a clean re-install. Roll back Commander. Remove all mods. Uninstall SH3. Delete all residual folders, including the Mods/ folder and the game save folders in User/. Use a registry cleaner. Then reinstall everything. Hopefully, you have saved the downloaded zips of all your mods. No need to re-download, just use the zipped files as your source. See if that doesn't give you more stable performance. This sounds like more work than it actually is. With your mod list, you should be up and playing again in about an hour. You are absolutely right about one thing: When you add a lot of mods, and when you muck about the data files the way Commander does, there are a lot of opportunities to screw something up. Sometimes, something small and subtle and deep, deep down, that you'll hardly ever see. Only now and then. Let me say too that JSGME and SH3 Commander are wonderful programs. I wouldn't want to have to live without them. And they have a lot of safeguards built into them. But they are also powerful programs and it is possible to misuse them. They are not idiot-proof, as this idiot can attest! If you want to read my tale of woe, here's the thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=205755 I had lots more stuff going on, and had lots of "minor" problems that added up to a BIG headache. You should have an easier time of it. Good luck and good hunting! See you at the cabaret!

10-06-13, 11:51 AM	#19
BassII Bosun Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Scandinavia. Posts: 62 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Thanks again BigWalleye. I did a clean install a few months ago, and i've learned to do it correctly! Also changing mods when in harbor! (Maybe one have split!) Never ranked anything!(never seen that), i only install, what i need, with no interference on other installs. I dont get headache My wife do, dont know why Lets go sailing......

10-08-13, 10:27 AM	#20
BassII Bosun Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Scandinavia. Posts: 62 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	As BigWalleye said! I need to point out one thing. DONT MESS AROUND with mods or Commander while in patrol or game! I did that with one mod, and i've tracked that down to my own stupidity! Thank you, sir Kaleun I will never do it again

10-08-13, 12:18 PM	#21
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Wanna see my scars?

10-21-13, 07:49 PM	#23
Kpt. Schaker Seaman Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: N34 4.13483, W118 1.68516 Posts: 42 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 2	Some sound file or mod file got corrupted during the transfer! As somebody mentioned it's kind of a trial and error! Fire up stock! Then, enabling 1 mod at a time and load! I once had a corrupted depthcharge wav file corrupted, the shake2.wav and everytime I was about to get depthcharged, the game use to CTD. The wav file got turned into a glitch during the transfer from usb stick. It is good when you back up mods to keep them compressed whether saved on usb memory stick or cd/dvdr.

10-22-13, 05:58 PM	#24
conus00 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: DB85 Posts: 804 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	I am officially giving up on this... I uninstalled SH3, cleaned registry and pulled all the mods from my archive. Still getting CTD. I GUESS THERE IS SOMETHING SH3 DOES NOT LIKE ON MY COMPUTER!!! I'm just really tired of trying. I will play it on my g/f's laptop whenever she is not using it. I'm thinking, in the future, to get some older PC, install XPs and keep it strictly for playing older games.

10-22-13, 06:15 PM	#25
desertstriker Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2012 Location: mod soup bar and grill Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 998 Uploads: 0	I just realized have you tried running in off of C:\ ? in a different folder then program files. I only just thought of this after re reading your initial post.

10-23-13, 03:23 AM	#28
conus00 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: DB85 Posts: 804 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	I have. Ran automatic Ccleaner and manually edited all SH3 entries through regedit. Guys, trust me, I have tried EVERYTHING I can think of....