Murder in London

[Rockstar]

Murder in London, right. But what is the motive? According to the troubled youth and his accomplice "We want to start a war in London tonight." In the name of Allah of course. But nothing to worry about as its just another isolated incident.


Btw major kudos goes out to Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's one brave woman

[Red October1984]

I just saw the coverage of this on CNN.

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on.


The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that?

[Stealhead]

You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free.

And nine fatal incidents in 30 years that is very low a large city such as New York has that many in two or three years with about the same number of armed officers.They did seem to say that police had done nothing wrong in every case but that tends to be the case in the US as well.The English tally does not include incidents in Norther Ireland but that is an entire ball of yarn all together.

My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places them selves at the top of the use of force pyramid.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You should look up the number of firearms incidents involving law enforcement in the US.Be careful looking up things on Wikipedia not every article on there is bias free.

I don't even want to know how many American Law Enforcement gun incidents happen. There was one at my local county Sheriff's Office a while back. This female cop was at this person's house. She suddenly "feels threatened" by the citizen's pet Chihuahua so she pulls out her pistol. She fired once, only wounding the pet. She had to continue firing to finish the job...

They took her to court and she eventually ended up "resigning."

My understanding is that the men had both a firearm and a machete style weapon if someone had already used these weapons and still had them in their possession and did not comply with me I'd blow their head off too who they had killed would not be relevant either.Someone brandishing any edged weapon is a lethal threat if they are within 25 feet of you.A person brandishing an edged weapon and also not complying and also assaulted a person places themselves at the top of the use of force pyramid.

Agree. If it were me, (if I was old enough to have a CCW) I'd defend somebody under attack. There is a bill in the Missouri congress that will lower the CCW age to 19 among other things.... (That could be good or bad) I'm not crazy or anything like that....but I'd like to be able to carry a weapon with me in dangerous areas. No, these aren't just comments from "that american teenager who wants to have a gun to feel cool." I don't want to be a victim or a statistic. I'd rather have it and not use it than not have it and need it.

Still, it's a good day for the English Defence League, UKIP and BNP, they will be rubbing their hands in glee.

The EDL unsurprisingly showed themselves for what they are last night.

Agree. If it were me, (if I was old enough to have a CCW) I'd defend somebody under attack.

Remember the incident with Gifford?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I just saw the coverage of this on CNN.

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like. Like the time where Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the back of the head because they mistook him for a bombing suspect. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of this. It's an issue for the British people to decide on.


The only thing they could do was perfectly capture the man, the blood, the weapons and the confession on camera. Gee, nobody thought "Let's tackle the guy?" or anything like that?

When I read these comments and think of an appropriate response I say to myself "No, don't get involved...it's not really necessary".

Stealhead in his immediate response just about sums it up more professionally than I might have.

[BossMark]

I am at a loss for words or words that I cant use on these forums about what I think to those 2 bastards who did this horrific attack

[Skybird]

Allahu akbar.

[MH]

Allah yahtak.

[STEED]

One thing I have noticed when such acts are carried out Western Muslim spokespersons keep saying Islam is a peaceful religion but are they taking that view point from the lay back flabby westerner? As clearly the Eastern view point is rather the opposite.

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by STEED

One thing I have noticed when such acts are carried out Western Muslim spokespersons keep saying Islam is a peaceful religion but are they taking that view point from the lay back flabby westerner? As clearly the Eastern view point is rather the opposite.

Islam is about as peaceful as Jimmy Savile in a children's hospital.

[Armistead]

One of these days we'll admit Islam isn't a religion of peace, but a religion of hate, bias and murder.

[Skybird]

One thing I have noticed when such acts are carried out Western Muslim spokespersons keep saying Islam is a peaceful religion but are they taking that view point from the lay back flabby westerner?

As long as this precious silent majority of peaceful, tolerant, integrating Muslims remains silent and inactive in the face of hate preachers and selfish lobbyists and clergymen and only pay lip confessions but no enforcing actions to isolate them and get rid of them and throw them out and deny them to hide behind the passive "majority" that is claimed - only claimed! - to disagree with them;

as long as they pay lip confessions at best in condemning such acts of intolerance hate, violence or violence against women and girls, then return to their passivity and inactivity again;

as long as their first and only worry - when the crime statistics show how overrepresented by several factors Muslim migrants are in many branches of crime statistics: from locals-mobbing to rape, from street violence to theft - is to call it "racism" and "offence" and that organising statistics in such a way that they allow to identify which groups of persons are represented to what degree in statistical categories (which is an substantial information in crime statistics I would say: to learn and make known the identities and origin of somebody committing serious crimes);

as long as galloping antisemitic racism is typical for overwhelming majorities of them, leading the vast majority of them to behavior and statements making it clear they would not even live door to door with a Jew in a European country, and to significant levels also do not wish to have much to do with the local population of their hosting nation;

as long as they allow the above mentioned and acting terrorists alike to define the image of their precious peaceful, tolerant ideology with their hate and violence and intolerance;

as long as they do not actively engage in banning, isolating, making known and throwing out "extremists" and criminal integration-refusers in their middle, instead allow their leaders to blackmail the state until it agrees to warn "community leaders" hours in advance before they arrest Muslim criminals or extremists or suspects;

as long as third- and fourth-generation offspring from immigrant families become more conservative and religious than their grandparents have ever been;

as long as they remain silent and shut up over the immense amounts of enforced marriages, violence against wifes and daughters, female circumcision, denial of rights to women, sharia parallel law in Western states:

as long as all this^ is so, I think your point does not really matter. Since fourty years and more we wait now that they integrate, reform Islam, and by majority truly "arrive" in their new "homes" and learn the rules. Instead, all we got in these years is bullying, hate, demanding ever more, violence, and a growing willingness amongst the young to even use force to turn the West Islamic and destroy our countries and their constitutional basis.

Arguments there have been enough : fourty years and more. Negotiations there have been enough: fourty years and more. Display of our good willingness and tolerance and patience there have been enough: fourty years and more. Giving in to their demands while they refuse reciprocity in their acting, both in their original home countries and in the West: we have done it long enough, since over fourty years. It'S time to get out the big club and show it to them and tell them very clearly and without any further negotiating: either you now fall into line and learn our rules and fully embrace them, or you pack your things and get the hell out of Europe, and America.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I'm not crazy or anything like that...

You know that's the first thing the crazy people always say...

As for the rest, I understand your fears and feelings on the subject.