Actual Kaibokans for modding. - Page 2

TorpX · 02-01-13, 08:22 PM

I was looking at the details on the other forum and was wondering about the depth charge throwers/projectors. Does anyone know what the differences are in the launchers and depth charges?

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Armament: As built 1942-43:
• 3 × 120 mm (4.7 in)/45 cal DP guns
• 4 × 25 mm (0.98 in) AA machine guns (2×2)
• 2 × Type 94 depth charge projectors
• 16 × Type 3 depth charge throwers
• 2 × depth charge chutes
• 120 × depth charges

tater · 02-01-13, 11:53 PM

My IJN mod that is folded into RSRDC has the different japanese DCs as well as SH4 can deal with them. In reality, they should have just a few possible depth settings, but that doesn't work in SH4.

I did change the thrower ranges and DC explosive level to match the amount of explosives. Never bothered with the ASW mortar, as far as I know they were entirely useless anyway.

keltos01 · 02-02-13, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

Nice. Here's a C type for you:

look at the back of it, it sure looks like the gun I modded for our I-Boats !

keltos

TorpX · 02-02-13, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

My IJN mod that is folded into RSRDC has the different japanese DCs as well as SH4 can deal with them. In reality, they should have just a few possible depth settings, but that doesn't work in SH4.

I did change the thrower ranges and DC explosive level to match the amount of explosives.

So, I assume the type 3 was the later (better?) model. Was the advantage a farther throw or a heavier charge?

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Never bothered with the ASW mortar, as far as I know they were entirely useless anyway.

Rgr that.

tater · 02-03-13, 01:14 AM

Type 95, then Type 2 (like the "zero" aircraft, the number is the japanese calendar year).

Late type 95s had an extra depth setting (it added a 90m setting to the extant 30m and 60m). The 95 had a 100kg charge and fell at 1.9m/s. The type 2 had a few charge versions, with the smallest at 105kg, and the largest (most common) at 162kg. They fell at 3m/s.

The throwers are tricky. They use a charge to blast out the arbors, and the range depended on single side throws (all the blast shooting 1 charge), or a double. No such control in SH4. Single throws had a range of 105m, and doubles were 75. Used 75. That's for a type 95, at a total weight of less than the explosive weight of the type 2, so the latter got smaller patterns.

AOTD_MadMax · 02-06-13, 06:15 PM

Hi,

i just finished the Ukuru Class ( Kaibokan Type B ).

Now i wanne rework the C Type a little bit

Regards

Maddy

TorpX · 02-07-13, 12:52 AM

A question:

It looks like there is a depth charge thrower just behind the gun at the bow. Is this correct? It looks to be in a bad spot (as far as the gun crew is concerned).

Armistead · 02-07-13, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

A question:

It looks like there is a depth charge thrower just behind the gun at the bow. Is this correct? It looks to be in a bad spot (as far as the gun crew is concerned).

That won't effect the crew, I like the idea, a more deadly pattern for us flankers that try to outrun charges.

tater · 02-07-13, 06:03 PM

There was no forward thrower an any IJN escort.

TorpX · 02-08-13, 12:43 AM

I was thinking that even if wanted to mount them forward, and didn't care about the bow gun crews (I know the game doesn't care care about the crews), how would charges be moved up? There has to be some sort of hoist near the stern for this purpose, right?

Armistead · 02-08-13, 07:08 AM

Usually there is a charge storage rack next to the thrower with a hoist to load. Y guns had to be placed on the center line of the ship, which was problematic, so I think K throwers replaced most of them later war. I think some K guns had pivot bases so they could be turned at different angles.

Still, I like the idea of a Y gun in game on the forward deck, just too easy to evade charges in the game.

AOTD_MadMax · 02-08-13, 10:25 AM

Iam back again,

now i finished the Type A Kaibokan ( Shimushu / Etorofu )

The Type C and Type D is also ready.

Regards

Maddy

Armistead · 02-08-13, 11:02 AM

You gonna put it out for a mod or just include it with FORS..Course, I have no problem kidnapping your ships files for my own personal use...

02-01-13, 11:53 PM	#17
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	My IJN mod that is folded into RSRDC has the different japanese DCs as well as SH4 can deal with them. In reality, they should have just a few possible depth settings, but that doesn't work in SH4. I did change the thrower ranges and DC explosive level to match the amount of explosives. Never bothered with the ASW mortar, as far as I know they were entirely useless anyway. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

02-03-13, 01:14 AM	#20
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Type 95, then Type 2 (like the "zero" aircraft, the number is the japanese calendar year). Late type 95s had an extra depth setting (it added a 90m setting to the extant 30m and 60m). The 95 had a 100kg charge and fell at 1.9m/s. The type 2 had a few charge versions, with the smallest at 105kg, and the largest (most common) at 162kg. They fell at 3m/s. The throwers are tricky. They use a charge to blast out the arbors, and the range depended on single side throws (all the blast shooting 1 charge), or a double. No such control in SH4. Single throws had a range of 105m, and doubles were 75. Used 75. That's for a type 95, at a total weight of less than the explosive weight of the type 2, so the latter got smaller patterns. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

02-06-13, 06:15 PM	#21
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Hi, i just finished the Ukuru Class ( Kaibokan Type B ). Now i wanne rework the C Type a little bit Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-07-13, 12:52 AM	#22
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	A question: It looks like there is a depth charge thrower just behind the gun at the bow. Is this correct? It looks to be in a bad spot (as far as the gun crew is concerned).

02-07-13, 06:03 PM	#24
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	There was no forward thrower an any IJN escort. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

02-08-13, 12:43 AM	#25
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I was thinking that even if wanted to mount them forward, and didn't care about the bow gun crews (I know the game doesn't care care about the crews), how would charges be moved up? There has to be some sort of hoist near the stern for this purpose, right?

02-08-13, 07:08 AM	#26
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Usually there is a charge storage rack next to the thrower with a hoist to load. Y guns had to be placed on the center line of the ship, which was problematic, so I think K throwers replaced most of them later war. I think some K guns had pivot bases so they could be turned at different angles. Still, I like the idea of a Y gun in game on the forward deck, just too easy to evade charges in the game. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it. Last edited by Armistead; 02-08-13 at 07:39 AM.

02-08-13, 10:25 AM	#27
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Iam back again, now i finished the Type A Kaibokan ( Shimushu / Etorofu ) The Type C and Type D is also ready. Regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

02-08-13, 11:02 AM	#28
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	You gonna put it out for a mod or just include it with FORS..Course, I have no problem kidnapping your ships files for my own personal use... __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.