Should assault rifles be banned in the US?

[August]

Gee the foreigners think we should be disarmed. My my.

Well why don't you try to come and get them from us? We'll be waiting for you.

Gee the foreigners think we should be disarmed. My my.

Well why don't you try to come and get them from us? We'll be waiting for you.

On a scale of patheticness that really breaks the meter.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

On a scale of patheticness that really breaks the meter.

I cannot speak for August myself. But I can speak on how I construed his comment.

Foreigners cannot understand American gun culture, or find us barbaric for clinging to it. It is like how outlanders cannot fully understand American racism, as they do not have the experiences we have with it.

Blacks used to have separate water fountains up until the late 60s. Alot of folks are still resisting this change.

It is what makes up our fabric, good or bad.

Guns is an American tradition.

I will say this, rural areas are very liberal with guns, come to Jersey and see the hoops I had to navigate and money I had to pay, red tape and bull-stuff to own my guns.

My cousin in Alabama can just walk into a walmart.

(edit: I own a so called "assault rifle (though I have no plans of assaulting anybody, I hate that term), because it is goddam fun to shoot, I murder paper targets with it, and giggle like a child as I do it. )

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I cannot speak for August myself. But I can speak on how I construed his comment.

Foreigners cannot understand American gun culture, or find us barbaric for clinging to it. It is like how outlanders cannot fully understand American racism, as they do not have the experiences we have with it.

Blacks used to have separate water fountains up until the late 60s. Alot of folks are still resisting this change.

It is what makes up our fabric, good or bad.

Guns is an American tradition.

I will say this, rural areas are very liberal with guns, come to Jersey and see the hoops I had to navigate and money I had to pay, red tape and bull-stuff to own my guns.

My cousin in Alabama can just walk into a walmart.

(edit: I own a so called "assault rifle (though I have no plans of assaulting anybody, I hate that term), because it is goddam fun to shoot, I murder paper targets with it, and giggle like a child as I do it. )

Yeah, but this is not just a national, but an international forum. As such, you had better get used to reading the opinions of people from other parts of the world. It is their right to give those opinions, whether you like it or not. This whole 'beat it, outlander' thing is just silly.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

They should. All you need to defend yourself is a handgun. If your hand's shaking, you obviously didn't pass your gun test.

Exactly how much firearms experience do you have? Do you have the slightest clue whay you're talking about?

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

3. nobody uses an assault rifle for home defense as it is an incredibly poor choice for close quarters shooting in a situation where the avoidance of collateral damage is obviously critical

I once had a friend who asked it I would use my 0ught-three Springfield on an intruder. I replied no, that's what the .45 was for. The .30-06 round would go through the burglar, through the wall, through my roommate, through the other wall and possible across the street and through my neighbor.

4. I have always tried to make it a point not to participate in polls with loaded poll choices.

Not me. I love rigged polls. I voted no, because as a stupid beknighted American (and a traditional old fart to boot) I obviously believe that "spray and pray" is the only way to go!

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

So they're pretty much useless unless you wanted to murder some kindergarten kids.

Again, what experience in shooting, or even life, do you speak from.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Guess when you don't know what you're talking about even a muzzle loader is an assault rifle.

As was my Springfield, back in 1917.

Personally I think this is a really inappropriate and disrespectful time to have this discussion and I don't think I'll participate beyond this post.

I disagree. Personally, I think anytime is appropriate to have a stupid and useless discussion based on a stupid and useless poll.

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

I voted 'No' as protest for rigged poll. I will not waste time commenting this thread unless someone post something so ridiculous I can't resist urge.

Yep. I'm hoping my posts will live down to your standards.

Originally Posted by Hottentot

According to the latest research, the trails left behind by airplanes are in fact chemicals used to indoctrinate the people into believing that the wide ranging global Jewish Rosicrucian conspiracy is the acceptable reality and accepting that we are really just living in a virtual reality while our real brains are being eaten by hamster shaped machines singing Christmas carols over and over again on C Major.

Have a nice time of the day.

Candidate for post of the year! Well, maybe next year.

Originally Posted by August

Well why don't you try to come and get them from us? We'll be waiting for you.

Arrogant, disrespectful...and funny as hell!

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

This whole 'beat it, outlander' thing is just silly.

This. There are times when I'm wondering what would the experimental removal of the "location" part of the user profile do, provided that the long time posters didn't already know from where each of them was.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yeah, but this is not just a national, but an international forum. As such, you had better get used to reading the opinions of people from other parts of the world. It is their right to give those opinions, whether you like it or not. This whole 'beat it, outlander' thing is just silly.

Where did I say "beat it outlander"?

I was simply clarifying how Americans feel alot more passionatly about guns than most.

Or is it you do not agree with me, and felt like chastizing?

I never told anyone to beat it, I am confused...I didn't mean the term outlander in a demeaning way.

I did not minimize no ones opinion, once again, I was attempting to make him understand why we are the way we are about firearms.

I usually need to be told to calm down by you, man

Chill

(edit: thanks for painting me a xenophobic bigot, when I said nothing of the sort in my post)

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Candidate for post of the year! Well, maybe next year.

But, but, but...if the world is going to end in 2012, then I'll never get one of those fancy "Best of Subsim" badges.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Where did I say "beat it outlander"?

I was simply clarifying how Americans feel alot more passionatly about guns than most.

Or is it you do not agree with me, and felt like chastizing?

I never told anyone to beat it, I am confused...I didn't mean the term outlander in a demeaning way.

I did not minimize no ones opinion, once again, I was attempting to make him understand why we are the way we are about firearms.

I usually need to be told to calm down by you, man

Chill

Yeah, but you defended a 'beat it outlander' post. It is also becoming something of a theme on these forums lately, which is something that I don't think we should be doing. And that was the point.

I am chill. Trust me, you'll know when I'm angry.

Yeah, but this is not just a national, but an international forum.

But it goes even further on the level of patheticness than that, as even domesticly it is an issue so attempting to write it off with nonsense about "foriegners" just doesn't wash
All August did was a really bad impression of Charlton Heston when he stood at the NRA podium and made a complete dick of himself.

Foreigners cannot understand American gun culture, or find us barbaric for clinging to it.

Now you are making no sense at all Soopa, think about it

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Foreigners cannot understand American gun culture, or find us barbaric for clinging to it. It is like how outlanders cannot fully understand American racism, as they do not have the experiences we have with it.

That's not really true. You make some American friends, go visit America, shoot some guns with decent, responsible people. That's what I did, and it certainly gave me a sense of perspective and qualified my opinion on gun culture significantly.

As Takeda said, everyone's entitled to an opinion, and even a foreigner's opinion can be well-informed and legitimate. Now, I agree that some opinions are misinformed, but saying that "you're an outsider so your opinion doesn't matter" is stupid. Any civil, educated, critical person can have a rational opinion on anything. To say that they can't is essentially assigning mystical value to things that actually have none. There is nothing mystical about being American, and there is nothing mystical about gun culture or constitutional values. Promoting mystical views of these things only deepens the cultural misunderstanding.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yeah, but you defended a 'beat it outlander' post. And that was the point.

I am chill. Trust me, you'll know when I'm angry.

Yeah, but I kinda got his point. We all know August can be blunt, but I understood his point, even if he broadcasted it...well bluntly.

Trust me, I have my moments where I wanna strangle (figuratively) August, but I understand what he was getting at.

He was simply saying it can be hard to understand why we are the way we are, if you are not one of us.

I can never tell you how it is like to be german, where saying Hitler was a cool fella can get you thrown in jail, I find that silly. Just like people find our guns silly...

I took a long path to say this, it was all about perspective, August was simply stating that they can never understand our perspective.

He don't need me to defend him.
I am more defending how I took his post, which I took as a way of saying, you do not understand, because culturally we are different.

No love lost Daimyo-sama

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

All August did was a really bad impression of Charlton Heston when he stood at the NRA podium and made a complete dick of himself.

You're pushing the line again. No matter how strongly you feel about something, a personal insult is not the way to express it.

[Sonarman]

Here's another "foreigner's" view...

Why not ban all lethal guns and allow the use of tranquilizer weapons instead?That way you could still subdue a perpetrator and not open yourself up to a manslaughter/murder rap and hopefully stop these nutters getting hold of life ending equipment.

As for the sport argument... I've never seen anything macho about hunting with guns a "real man" should surely be able to wrestle an animal to the ground and kill it with his bare hands instead taking the rather cowardly minimal risk/ hide behind a tree/sniper scope approach .

As for the "inshrined in the constitution" arguement... Bush and his cronies were fast enough to bend the constitution to take away suspected terrorists rights but suddenly now it can't be bent to protect America's children?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

As for the sport argument... I've never seen anything macho about hunting with guns a "real man" should surely be able to wrestle an animal to the ground and kill it with his bare hands instead taking the rather cowardly minimal risk/ hide behind a tree/sniper scope approach

Or at least use a long bow like real men used to. None of this sissified compound bow with a scope garbage. And then there's this new-fangled bait crap. Don't get me started on this whole Gore Tex thing either. Real men wore sack cloth breeches and a hood on rainy days. In fact, I can't help but notice that the decline in social mores coincides with the increase in hunter amenities. Coincidence?