Pearl Harbor 61 years ago today - Page 2

August · 12-07-12, 02:40 PM

At the time of this posting it is 09:37hrs Hawaiian local time:

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A bomb blows off the bow of the destroyer Shaw; pieces of the ship rain down half a mile (.8 kilometer) away. A photo of the spectacular explosion becomes one of the best known images of December 7, 1941. Repair workers are on the job immediately. The Shaw eventually gets a new bow and is back in action by July 1942.

Except for the Arizona, Utah, and Oklahoma, every ship sunk or damaged on December 7 will sail again.

eddie · 12-07-12, 02:42 PM

This is a great srticle concerning Pearl Harbor.

http://news.msn.com/us/pearl-harbor-...y-unknown-dead

Bilge_Rat · 12-07-12, 03:05 PM

I had read that many of the sailors who died in the Arizona were trapped below when the ship sank so quickly right after the explosion. For 2-3 days afterwards, workers could hear trapped sailors banging on the bulkheads, hoping for a rescue, but nothing could be done for them.

Cybermat47 · 12-07-12, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Poor Japs. At our War Memorial in Canberra, one of the many exhibits is the remains of M-14 and M-21 joined together.

The hull is so thin, you could have killed the two men inside with a well placed burst of sub-machine gun fire.

And the USS Arizona...that must have been hell on earth.

I hate war.

Sailor Steve · 12-07-12, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I had read that many of the sailors who died in the Arizona were trapped below when the ship sank so quickly right after the explosion. For 2-3 days afterwards, workers could hear trapped sailors banging on the bulkheads, hoping for a rescue, but nothing could be done for them.

That story is completely unsubstantiated. The forward magazine exploded, and the ship was in Condition X-Ray, meaning all watertight doors were open. The ship probably completely flooded within a minute, giving no one time to button up. The neighboring Oklahoma capsized, but the hull was still above water, giving some a chance to escape and others time to bang on the hull with tools. Thirty-two of them were saved. Most of them were not. They were likely already drowned. I have never seen the Arizona story corroborated by any real evidence.

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I hate war.

I hope you never see it. It's not fun at all.

Jimbuna · 12-07-12, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That story is completely unsubstantiated. The forward magazine exploded, and the ship was in Condition X-Ray, meaning all watertight doors were open. The ship probably completely flooded within a minute, giving no one time to button up. The neighboring Oklahoma capsized, but the hull was still above water, giving some a chance to escape and others time to bang on the hull with tools. Thirty-two of them were saved. Most of them were not. They were likely already drowned. I have never seen the Arizona story corroborated by any real evidence.

I hope you never see it. It's not fun at all.

Agreed

Red October1984 · 12-07-12, 05:14 PM

This is wonderful timing, as i got SH4 not even a week ago.

The "Gallopping Ghost of the Japanese Coast" will get some virtual revenge. (Off topic, a CH-47 Chinook just flew over my house)

I salute every man and woman who served in any American war. Let's just say we got our revenge in 1945. But, I still hold the deepest respect for anyone who put on a uniform so that I may sleep safely at night.

Keep fighting troops!

Stealhead · 12-07-12, 05:20 PM

Really and our own leadership can be blamed for how open we where to attack that day the Japanese merely took advantage of our lack of preparation of our lack of creative thinking a good leader always should expect his foes to fight dirty.War with Japan was inevitable and we where very poorly prepared.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-07-12, 07:27 PM

I offer a somber salute to all those of the United States Navy who perished on the Day of Infamy. Remeber Pearl Harbour and Never Forget those who laided down their in the defence of Freedom.

Platapus · 12-07-12, 09:52 PM

While the focus is often on Pearl Harbour, let us also not forget that the attack included attacks on the Philippines, Wake Island, Guam, Malaya, Thailand, Shanghai, and Midway.

Oberon · 12-08-12, 06:46 AM

One year from that infamous day, and seventy years ago, the situation in the Pacific could not seem more different. Whilst the Japanese still retained control of several key locations, their spearheads into new areas had been blunted, their carrier fleet mauled and below the bleachers of Stagg Field, history was in the making. It was the year when the war began to turn against the Axis, when Stalingrad and Guadalcanal failed to fall.

Bilge_Rat · 12-08-12, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That story is completely unsubstantiated. The forward magazine exploded, and the ship was in Condition X-Ray, meaning all watertight doors were open. The ship probably completely flooded within a minute, giving no one time to button up. The neighboring Oklahoma capsized, but the hull was still above water, giving some a chance to escape and others time to bang on the hull with tools. Thirty-two of them were saved. Most of them were not. They were likely already drowned. I have never seen the Arizona story corroborated by any real evidence.

According to Morison's official history of the U.S. Navy in WW2 (vol. 3, p.108):

"Arizona barely had time to sound General Quarters, man battle stations, and set Condition Zed (complete watertight integrity) when she received several lethal torpedo and bomb hits."

So either Arizona had set condition Zed or was in the process of doing so when the forward magazine exploded.

That story has been floating around for a long time and way before the interweb was around. I see you have heard it too. Whether there is any truth to it or it is an urban legend is hard to know now.

12-07-12, 02:42 PM	#17
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	This is a great srticle concerning Pearl Harbor. http://news.msn.com/us/pearl-harbor-...y-unknown-dead __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-07-12, 03:05 PM	#18
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I had read that many of the sailors who died in the Arizona were trapped below when the ship sank so quickly right after the explosion. For 2-3 days afterwards, workers could hear trapped sailors banging on the bulkheads, hoping for a rescue, but nothing could be done for them. __________________

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Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	This is wonderful timing, as i got SH4 not even a week ago. The "Gallopping Ghost of the Japanese Coast" will get some virtual revenge. (Off topic, a CH-47 Chinook just flew over my house) I salute every man and woman who served in any American war. Let's just say we got our revenge in 1945. But, I still hold the deepest respect for anyone who put on a uniform so that I may sleep safely at night. Keep fighting troops! __________________

12-07-12, 07:27 PM	#24
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I offer a somber salute to all those of the United States Navy who perished on the Day of Infamy. Remeber Pearl Harbour and Never Forget those who laided down their in the defence of Freedom. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

12-07-12, 09:52 PM	#25
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	While the focus is often on Pearl Harbour, let us also not forget that the attack included attacks on the Philippines, Wake Island, Guam, Malaya, Thailand, Shanghai, and Midway. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-07-12, 05:20 PM	#23
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Really and our own leadership can be blamed for how open we where to attack that day the Japanese merely took advantage of our lack of preparation of our lack of creative thinking a good leader always should expect his foes to fight dirty.War with Japan was inevitable and we where very poorly prepared.

12-08-12, 06:46 AM	#26
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	One year from that infamous day, and seventy years ago, the situation in the Pacific could not seem more different. Whilst the Japanese still retained control of several key locations, their spearheads into new areas had been blunted, their carrier fleet mauled and below the bleachers of Stagg Field, history was in the making. It was the year when the war began to turn against the Axis, when Stalingrad and Guadalcanal failed to fall.