Tehrangeles: How Iranians made part of LA their own

[Gerald]

Of course, those who come here with a lot of money, and seeking asylum a small part, unfortunately, it will then incorrect signals to newspapers about this etc. and then the circus started.

[geetrue]

Speaking of LA ... did you know that 90% of the LA Times is owned by the Latter Day Saints LDS?

The same people that are backing Romney whom I predict will lose to Obama, but then I told everyone to vote for the other canidate.

I like the fact that LDS money defeated same sex marriage proposal in California last time it came up for a vote, but that's about all I like about those crazy people that worship dead saints and build monuments to them that look like Disneyland on the side of hwy 5 in san Diego.

Southern California is full of all kinds of various people from illegal aliens to legal aliens to even real aliens with men in black taking out insiders that know too much about things they aren't suppose to know.

LA is especially full of people that say and think, "I got mine, now you get yours"

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Speaking of LA ... did you know that 90% of the LA Times is owned by the Latter Day Saints LDS?

The same people that are backing Romney whom I predict will lose to Obama, but then I told everyone to vote for the other canidate.

I like the fact that LDS money defeated same sex marriage proposal in California last time it came up for a vote, but that's about all I like about those crazy people that worship dead saints and build monuments to them that look like Disneyland on the side of hwy 5 in san Diego.

Southern California is full of all kinds of various people from illegal aliens to legal aliens to even real aliens with men in black taking out insiders that know too much about things they aren't suppose to know.

LA is especially full of people that say and think, "I got mine, now you get yours"

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by geetrue

did you know that 90% of the LA Times is owned by the Latter Day Saints LDS?

No, I didn't, and I still don't. The digging I did indicates that the LA Times is solely owned by The Tribune Corporation. I followed several links and could find nothing related to the LDS Church. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but I would like to see a real connection.

I like the fact that LDS money defeated same sex marriage proposal in California last time it came up for a vote,

Thats the one the judge made them release the financial backing of the campaign isn't it
So thats the outcome of the vote that was financed by an unsurprising amount of closted poofs and an extremely shocking number of rather nasty serious sex offenders?
Nice to see you like to share their views and support their campaign.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, I didn't, and I still don't. The digging I did indicates that the LA Times is solely owned by The Tribune Corporation. I followed several links and could find nothing related to the LDS Church. That doesn't mean you're wrong, but I would like to see a real connection.

I still live in the 1990's lol

In 2000, the Tribune Company, parent company of the Chicago Tribune and the area's KTLA, purchased the Los Angeles Times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Los_Angeles_Times

So forgive me already

[geetrue]

I can't find the connection, but only remember it being reported that LDS owned 90% in the 1980's as reported in a Catholic ownED San Diego Union Tribune story.

You don't have to own the whole thing if you have most of the stock. I also tried to find out who owns costco (price club), but finally gave up due to they just plainly don't want you to know unless you pay a research center it is useless to find on your own.

Sorry to make this about LA instead of Iran

Ostis Chandler (November 23, 1927 – February 27, 2006) was the publisher of the Los Angeles Times between 1960 and 1980, leading a large expansion of the newspaper and its ambitions.[1] He was the fourth and final member of the Chandler family to hold the paper's top position.[1]

He handed control of the paper to people outside the family in the mid-1980s


article from LA Times:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/03/business/fi-chandlers3

Chandler family: A timeline accompanying an article in Tuesday's Section A about the founding family of the Los Angeles Times and its then-owner, Times Mirror Co., said the highest price of Tribune Co. stock since Tribune acquired Times Mirror in 2000 was $51.90 a share on April 13, 2004. Tribune's stock price peaked at $53 on Feb. 2, 2004, before the end of that day's trading session. The stock's highest daily close since the acquisition was $52.84 on Feb. 11, 2004.

"After 120 years of my family's ownership and leadership of the Los Angeles Times, I am deeply saddened by what appears to be the final severing of this legacy," said Harry B. Chandler, the oldest surviving son of Otis Chandler, the publisher credited with The Times' greatest triumphs. "For me, this newspaper has been more than just a company I worked at or a source of dividends.... Its pages have been the place that brought together our vast city."
The $34-a-share deal will buy out the family's 20% stake in Tribune. The pretax gain for the roughly 170 beneficiaries of the Chandler Trusts will be more than $1.6 billion. That's a healthy payday but a considerable comedown from the value of their shares just three years ago, when Tribune stock was 36% higher.

or you could ask this man what they own?

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon410.htm

I thought you might find interesting this transcript of the US Senate Committee case regarding Mormon Senator Reed Smoot. Where did Mormon Church President Smith find time for meditation, let alone revelation?

Senate Committee Testimony Transcript:

Mr. Tayler (Senate Attorney):What is your business?
Mr. Smith (Mormon Prophet and President): My principle business is that of president of the church.
Mr. Tayler: In what other business are you engaged?
Mr. Smith: I am engaged in NUMEROUS other businesses.
Mr. Tayler: What?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of Zion's Cooperative Mercantile Institution.
Mr. Tayler: Of what other corporations are you an officer?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the State Bank of Utah, another institution.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: PRESIDENT of Zion's Savings Bank and Trust Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Utah Sugar Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Consolidated Wagon and Machine Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else?
Mr. Smith: There are several other SMALL INSTITUTIONS with which I am associated.
Mr. Tayler: Are you associated with the Utah Light and Power Company?
Mr. Smith: I am.
Mr. Tayler: In what capacity?
Mr. Smith: I am a director and PRESIDENT of the company.
Mr. Tayler: A director and the president?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir.
Mr. Tayler: Had you that in mind when you classified the others as 'small concerns'?
Mr. Smith: No sir, I had not that in mind.
Mr. Tayler: That is a 'large concern'?
Mr. Smith: That is a large concern?
Mr. Tayler: Are you an officer of the Salt Lake and Los Angeles Railroad Company?
Mr. Smith: I am.
Mr. Tayler: What?
Mr. Smith: PRESIDENT and director.
Mr. Tayler: Of what else are you President?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of the Salt Air Beach Company.
Mr. Tayler: What else, if you can recall.
Mr. Smith: I DO NOT RECALL JUST NOW!
Mr. Tayler: What relation do you sustain to the Idaho Sugar Company?
Mr. Smith: I am a director of that company and also the PRESIDENT of it.
Mr. Tayler: Of the Inland Crystal Salt Company?
Mr. Smith: Also the SAME POSITION THERE.
Mr. Tayler: The Salt Lake Dramatic Association?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of that and also a DIRECTOR.
Mr. Tayler: Are you president of any other corporation there?
Mr. Smith: I DO NOT KNOW. PERHAPS YOU CAN TELL ME!! I DO NOT REMEMBER ANY MORE JUST NOW!
Mr. Tayler: It would seem that the number has grown so large that it would be an undue tax upon your memory to charge you with naming them all.
Mr. Smith: What relation do you sustain to the Salt Lake Knitting Company? Did I already ask you about it?
Mr. Smith: No sir, you did not.
Mr. Tayler: The Salt Lake Knitting Company?
Mr. Smith: I am PRESIDENT of it, and also a director.
Mr. Tayler: The Union Pacific Railway Company?
Mr. Smith: I am a DIRECTOR.
Mr. Tayler: Are you an official of any mining companies?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir.
Mr. Tayler: What?
Mr. Smith: I am the vice-president of the Bullion, Beck and Champion Mining Company.
Mr. Tayler: The Deseret News?
Mr. Smith: No, sir.
Mr. Tayler: You have no business relations with that?
Mr. Smith: NO SIR.
Mr. Tayler: Is the Deseret News the 'organ of the Church'?
Mr. Smith: Well, I suppose it is in some sense the 'organ of the church'. It is not opposed to the church, at least.
Mr. Tayler: It has for years published, has it not, at the head of its columns, that it is "the organ of the church", or the "official organ of the church"?
Mr. Smith: Not that I know of.
Mr. Tayler: Do you know who owns it?
Mr. Smith: How is that?
Mr. Tayler: Do you know who owns it?
Mr. Smith: I know who owns the building that it is in.
Mr. Tayler: Who owns the building in which it is published?
Mr. Smith: The church.
Mr. Tayler: The church?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir.
Mr. Tayler: Tell us what you know about the owners of that newspaper.
Mr. Smith: It has been for a number of years past owned by a company --- AN INCORPORATED COMPANY.
Mr. Tayler: What is the name of the company?
Mr. Smith: The Deseret News Publishing Company.
Mr. Tayler: Do you know who its officers are?
Mr. Smith: No, it is not owned by that company.
Mr. Tayler: Oh, it is not?
Mr. Smith: No; it is not.
Mr. Tayler: What do you know ----
Mr. Smith: But I say for years it was owned by a company of that kind.
Mr. Tayler: What do you know about its present ownership?
Mr. Smith: I presume that the present ownership is IN THE CHURCH.
Mr. Tayler: You suppose the present owner is 'the church'?
Mr. Smith: Yes, sir; the church.
Mr. Tayler: I do not want to have any misconstruction put upon your use of the word 'presume' because you do not know that it is so owned?
Mr. Smith: I really do not know so that I could tell you positively.
Mr. Tayler: Who would know?
Mr. Smith: I PRESUME I could find out.
Mr. Tayler: Could you find out before you leave Washington?
Mr. Smith: Perhaps so.

(SOURCE: Reed Smoot Case transcript, Vol. 1, pp. 81, 82, 83, 86, 87, and 88)

A day later, because the ownership of the Deseret News and its articles were keys to the case, Joseph F. Smith testified:

Mr. Tayler: In what form does your church have title to the Deseret News property?
Mr. Smith: It owns the deed.
Mr. Tayler: I am speaking of the newspaper, not the building.
Mr. Smith: The press; yes. I would like to state that when I was asked that question before, Mr. Tayler, I was not aware of the fact that I have since learned from my counsel here that during the trusteeship of Lorenzo Snow the Deseret News plant was transferred from the Deseret News Company to Lorenzo Snow, trustee, in trust. I was not aware of the fact, Mr. Chairman, when that question was asked me yesterday, I believe it was. I have since learned that that is the fact and that my counsel who is here made out the papers for the transfer. .....
Mr. Tayler: So that it is now in YOU as trustee in trust?
Mr. Smith: NOW I OWN IT AS TRUSTEE IN TRUST. Furthermore, I will say that I have discovered since yesterday that there is published on the second or third page of the Deseret News the statement that it is the "organ of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"
(Reed Smoot case, Vol. 1, page 158).

As you can see, the Mormon Church has been about business for a very long time.

[Sailor Steve]

The Wiki page was my starting point in my search. I notice there is a reference to a book, but no ownership listing in the article between 1980 and 2004. That's interesting, but I still see no connection with the church.

I live in Utah, and I'm well aware of the plethora of companies the Church owns, or used to own. Still, there is no reference to the Times in that transcript, so I'm not sure I see the point.

It's all good, and I wouldn't put it past them. I just wanted to see some evidence for a claimed "fact".

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Sweden is generous in its immigration policies, we have opened the door for many refugees from other countries, such as those you describe ..... but to say that it has traced out completely is to take in, but in situations where there is concern must are adequate ways to go, who to accept people who really need it, here in Sweden, people with money come who can afford to flee,(sometimes occurs) a balance should be made so that it works for all parties,and not only unilaterally.

If you think that Sweden is generous, then come to Norway. Those that gets thrown out comes back a few months later. Some have been thrown out up to five-six times and are still coming back. Drug runners, rapers, killers and the like. 60% of Norways jail population comes from countries like Somalia, other north African countries and some ME nations. These are the ones that rape and kill. Many here thinks that the immigration policy is way to loose.

[geetrue]

You can't really go all the way in understanding the wealth and power of the LDS church ...

Excuse me I hear a knocking on the door I will have to break off any further research;

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/02/us...on-a-year.html

A Phoenix newspaper reported Sunday that the Mormon Church, which does not disclose its finances

The church's business subsidiaries generate an additional $4 billion a year in sales, which, if counted in the total, would make the Mormon Church an $8 billion-a-year corporation, comparable with the Union Carbide Corporation and Borden Inc., The Republic said.
The newspaper said it was unlikely that it had identified all the church's companies, business names or affiliated holdings because financial data were incomplete, partly outdated and sometimes contradictory.
But the newspaper said it was able to conclude that the Mormon Church controlled at least 100 companies or businesses; had become one the nation's largest private landowners, with holdings in all 50 states, and appointed spiritual leaders who could double as business leaders to oversee real estate, communications, tourism, insurance and education operations.
In a written statement, church officials said of the newspaper's report, "While portions of the series are accurate, there are many deficiencies."

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Karle94

If you think that Sweden is generous, then come to Norway. Those that gets thrown out comes back a few months later. Some have been thrown out up to five-six times and are still coming back. Drug runners, rapers, killers and the like. 60% of Norways jail population comes from countries like Somalia, other north African countries and some ME nations. These are the ones that rape and kill. Many here thinks that the immigration policy is way to loose.

I've always liked Norway, was not so long ago I was in Oslo surroundings .... and I agree that the refugee problem is not easy to deal with, perhaps, countries begin to cooperate more for it to be good, Norway and Sweden has very close relations with most things, and have had it for a very long time .... maybe it should be started here in Scandinavia, and refugees from other countries.

[soopaman2]

This reminds me of a childhood thought I had.

Pardon if it rambles off topic.

But I grew up in NYC.

I always found it amazing, even to this day, how if you walk 2 blocks out of little Italy, how the faces would change from white to Chinese (Chinatown is literally blocks away)

I do not mind ethnic enclaves, just watch where you eat. I got asked to leave a place in Chinatown because I was disturbing the customers with my whiteness. They implied my food would not be as good, and perhaps I could find another place. Though my soda was free.

That is where I learned what gwailo meant.

I went back to Mulberry street and ate at Umbertos instead.

[Gerald]

I remember what I put down the plate somewhere..

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

This reminds me of a childhood thought I had.

Pardon if it rambles off topic.

But I grew up in NYC.

I always found it amazing, even to this day, how if you walk 2 blocks out of little Italy, how the faces would change from white to Chinese (Chinatown is literally blocks away)

I do not mind ethnic enclaves, just watch where you eat. I got asked to leave a place in Chinatown because I was disturbing the customers with my whiteness. They implied my food would not be as good, and perhaps I could find another place. Though my soda was free.

That is where I learned what gwailo meant.

I went back to Mulberry street and ate at Umbertos instead.

Maybe you were one of those places if you understand my meaning. A front business I bet they had a mahjong polar and they did not like your presence for that reason.

In the US you do have alot of ethnic neighborhoods some places don't really care if you are one of their kind or not some places do. I recall once in Germany I was going to the Bad Durkheim festival with some friends and we had to wait an hour for the train to sow up that would take us there.Well we decided to have a quick drink while we waited and we went into the first bar that we see.The bar lady was fairly nice and did get us our drinks but all of the other patrons seemed slightly displeased by our presence.That is when I noticed that they all had on blue coveralls this was a Blaumänner bar in other words skilled tradesmen and they have alot more pride than american blue color workers have.We where not one of them so they did not really want us there so we drank our beers and left.

Also some cultures are just not trusting of outsiders very much a good example are polynesians and other non whites from Hawaii they can be very friendly to anyone but they tend to
not trust outsiders.I made some fairly good friends with Hawaiians in the military sometimes they have get togethers and there will be very few non natives there so if you got invited that means the person who asked you to come considers you to be a very good friend and you'll probably be the only white person there and some will consider you a manahonie(crazy person) until they find out why you are there.

[Gerald]

I understand!