Sir David Attenborough says we in serious trouble if we dont change our ways. - Page 2

Codz · 07-19-12, 01:53 PM

If that was the case then my apologies. As far as colonization goes, I think that terraforming Mars is an interesting option. It would be a huge undertaking, but possibly well worth the end result.

JU_88 · 07-19-12, 02:02 PM

For what its worth (in the event of a fuel shortage), By design, most Diesel Engines on older Cars, Trucks, Buses and Trains will work pretty good with a fuel mix of up to 80% vegetable oil, makes them smell like a chip shop / fast food outlet too.

Ducimus · 07-19-12, 02:12 PM

I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

AVGWarhawk · 07-19-12, 02:19 PM

Lack of food will not reduce the population. Nuclear could reduce the population but I do not see that as happening. What I see reducing the population can not bee seen with the naked eye. Bacterial or viral will be the demise of a population. Today, some infectious bacteria are relentless and require many forms of treatment to combat.

STEED · 07-19-12, 02:21 PM

The time predicted to start is around 2030 for the slippery slide and by then I will be waving my walking stick in the air shouting out.."Hey you kids get off my lawn".

We are on the path to return to the 19th century and there is sod all we can do about it. Apart from making a truck load of money in the horse & cart business by getting in first.

JU_88 · 07-19-12, 02:23 PM

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I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

Yeah I think that more 'WOR' will be the more likley option

Mankind is really good at innovation, but really bad sustainablity.
I guess you can only make money from the former.

Codz · 07-19-12, 02:23 PM

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I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

Not interstellar colonization(unless there are massive advances in spacecraft propulsion). Interplanetary colonization is very possible with the proper budget. The problem is, many politicians are unwilling to look to the future and would rather continue the endless cycle of "fixing internal issues".

AVGWarhawk · 07-19-12, 02:24 PM

I agree with Steed. We are working our way back to hunter/gatherers. Farming as well. I do not see the oil running out in my lifetime though.

AVGWarhawk · 07-19-12, 02:25 PM

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Not interstellar colonization(unless there are massive advances in spacecraft propulsion). Interplanetary colonization is very possible with the proper budget. The problem is, many politicians are unwilling to look to the future and would rather continue the endless cycle of "fixing internal issues".

What? Is there no room on the Russian rockets?

Ducimus · 07-19-12, 02:27 PM

It really is hard to say what will or won't happen in our lifetimes. Though i think it's hard to ignore that the wind of change has already started to blow, regardless if we (as a nation, or as a species) acknowledge it or not.

Codz · 07-19-12, 02:27 PM

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What? Is there no room on the Russian rockets?

The current batch of Russian rockets aren't good for much more than LEO operations. NASA is currently developing several options for BEO operations.

AVGWarhawk · 07-19-12, 02:31 PM

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It really is hard to say what will or won't happen in our lifetimes. Though i think it's hard to ignore that the wind of change has already started to blow, regardless if we acknowledge it or not.

The winds have changed or should we say there is something on the wind? Through the centuries there was something on the wind. Civilization and how things are done are constantly changing. Although, it may take decades or centuries. However, as a industrialized nation(US), growth was exceptionally fast. I would suspect decline could go just as fast.

AVGWarhawk · 07-19-12, 02:32 PM

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The current batch of Russian rockets aren't good for much more than LEO operations. NASA is currently developing several options for BEO operations.

My point is, the USA does not much support space travel anymore.

Ducimus · 07-19-12, 02:42 PM

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. However, as a industrialized nation(US), growth was exceptionally fast. I would suspect decline could go just as fast.

That's about what i'm saying. We may or we may not see that drastic change (fall?) within our lifetimes, but given the way things are going and how they're being run, it's a safe bet that ship has already departed. The question really is, how long tell it gets here? We may see it, we may not. Odds are we won't see it, but our children or grandchildren will.

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My point is, the USA does not much support space travel anymore.

Yeah. Colonization? HA! We'd be lucky to set foot on the moon again. I doubt we ever will.

07-19-12, 02:44 PM

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If that was the case then my apologies

Ya, I meant BOOM!
I tend to think as food and other resources get scarce?
War will happen and as always escalate.
Not to mention the nut cases who will go on a rampage with suit case bombs sooner or later.
Those only need to spread radiation but the dying effect is just as good.

07-19-12, 01:53 PM	#16
Codz A-ganger Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 73 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	If that was the case then my apologies. As far as colonization goes, I think that terraforming Mars is an interesting option. It would be a huge undertaking, but possibly well worth the end result. __________________ "Magnificent desolation."-Buzz Aldrin

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JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,807 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	For what its worth (in the event of a fuel shortage), By design, most Diesel Engines on older Cars, Trucks, Buses and Trains will work pretty good with a fuel mix of up to 80% vegetable oil, makes them smell like a chip shop / fast food outlet too. Last edited by JU_88; 07-19-12 at 02:17 PM.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,281 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Lack of food will not reduce the population. Nuclear could reduce the population but I do not see that as happening. What I see reducing the population can not bee seen with the naked eye. Bacterial or viral will be the demise of a population. Today, some infectious bacteria are relentless and require many forms of treatment to combat. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The time predicted to start is around 2030 for the slippery slide and by then I will be waving my walking stick in the air shouting out.."Hey you kids get off my lawn". We are on the path to return to the 19th century and there is sod all we can do about it. Apart from making a truck load of money in the horse & cart business by getting in first. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,281 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I agree with Steed. We are working our way back to hunter/gatherers. Farming as well. I do not see the oil running out in my lifetime though. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think ideas of colonization are ummm, a bit far off the mark from what is possible in reality. Seriously, look at the current state of the world. It isn't exactly a stellar foundation for any star trek fantasy's.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	It really is hard to say what will or won't happen in our lifetimes. Though i think it's hard to ignore that the wind of change has already started to blow, regardless if we (as a nation, or as a species) acknowledge it or not.