Warning Touchy subject: Dambusters dog is now called Digger not Nigga

kiwi_2005 · 06-14-11, 05:13 AM

A decision had finally been made to change the name of the dog in Sir Peter Jackson‘s remake of The Dam Busters to ‘Digger’. “So what?”, I hear you say. Well, for those unfamiliar with the original story or film, the dog’s actual name is ‘******’. And yes, he’s a black labrador. Hmm, probably a very wise call me thinks. However, it has caused great debate, even in these more politcally correct times.[quote]Produced by Sir Peter Jackson, The Dam Busters will be a remake of the 1955 classic film starring Michael Redgrave and Richard Todd. The film, based on the true story of Squadron 617 of the Royal Air Force, will be directed by Jackson’s protege, first time director Christian Rivers. Stephen Fry is penning the script and will most likely play role, given his role in The Hobbit. A decision had finally been made to change the name of the dog in Sir Peter Jackson‘s remake of The Dam Busters to ‘Digger’. “So what?”, I hear you say. Well, for those unfamiliar with the original story or film, the dog’s actual name is ‘******’. And yes, he’s a black labrador. Hmm, probably a very wise call me thinks. However, it has caused great debate, even in these more politcally correct times.

http://www.admitone.co.nz/2011/06/14...es-the-n-word/

True to the story the dog name should stay as ******.

The word ****** derives from the latin word niger meaning black man. A white person can't be a ******. So is ****** offensive? Well I don't know I wasn't brought up in the deep south of the USA and being colored myself I don't find it offensive. Over here we call white people Pakeha which means Stranger some white people dont like that name where others dont mind one bit. I think its all how you interpret these words.

Gangsta rap artists add the ****** word in their lyrics all the time its common to hear gonna shoot your nigga ass etc., and its ok.

On the other hand for the sensitive types this is a dog where most likely in the movie nigga will be heard plenty of times. eg: Here nigga go fetch nigga good boy nigga! Some might get upset.

They should leave the name as it is changing it kinda kills the movie imo, if its going to be a remake they should not change a thing! No one is forcing those people who might find it offensive to go watch the movie. Only reason I could think off is if the PC groups get hold of this it could ruin a few careers, its not like Peter Jackson is doing an anti semite Mel Gibson rant.

No offensive meant.

THE_MASK · 06-14-11, 05:16 AM

Yeah ok , quite frankly that word should be washed clean from the worlds history books never to return .

Hottentot · 06-14-11, 05:20 AM

I'm sure I have heard of this controversy for at least three or four times during the last several years, first time being when I still frequented Ubi's IL-2 forums back in high school. That's how I learned about the dog and its name in the first place.

If they were less busy renaming dogs and more busy with filming, the freaking movie would be on the screens already!

antikristuseke · 06-14-11, 05:35 AM

Revising history is never a good thing.

papa_smurf · 06-14-11, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Revising history is never a good thing.

Least its only the dogs name been changed, nothing like the farce of U-571 (sorry I mentioned THAT film here)

Platapus · 06-14-11, 05:49 AM

If the only historical inaccuracy in this movie is the dog's name, I will be greatly surprised.

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The film, based on the true story of Squadron 617 of the Royal Air Force...

If they can change other aspects of the story in order to make the movie more marketable, than changing the dog's name is small spuds.

Now, if someone were making a historically accurate documentary, then the dog's name should not be changed. But this movie does not seem to be a historical documentary.

Herr-Berbunch · 06-14-11, 05:55 AM

The name should remain! I've visited the memorial to this lab many times as an air cadet when gliding at Scampton, history is history and typically somebody who wasn't a part of that history wants to rewrite it. Will all the crews be American? Will they come back totally unscathed? Will they rework the bomb so it skates or skis across the water rather than bounces?

The film should not be remade, and if it can't be done with the two flying Lancasters in the world then it shouldn't be done ever! No CGI please.

[IMG]http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafscampton/rafcms/mediafiles/gallery/D648980D_1143_EC82_2EAEFA2F14E561EB/******s_grave_large.jpg[/IMG]

BossMark · 06-14-11, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

The name should remain! I've visited the memorial to this lab many times as an air cadet when gliding at Scampton, history is history and typically somebody who wasn't a part of that history wants to rewrite it. Will all the crews be American? Will they come back totally unscathed? Will they rework the bomb so it skates or skis across the water rather than bounces?

The film should not be remade, and if it can't be done with the two flying Lancasters in the world then it shouldn't be done ever! No CGI please.

Couldnt agree with you more well said

joea · 06-14-11, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

The film should not be remade, and if it can't be done with the two flying Lancasters in the world then it shouldn't be done ever! No CGI please.

Why not? Ok better to maybe do films on fresh subjects not done before but why not do a film with CGi? Why the hate I mean frankly we are not going to have real flying machines from that epoch forever and special effects have their place, heck done correctly we can have accurate models for theatre/year of operations and no more "fake" Me-109s like in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. As long as they don't replace a good story, acting, dialouge why not? It's not as if the original dambusters had real Lancs for all the scenes.

As to the dog, really not sure-I hate that word for what it represents but also hate covering up history.

kiwi_2005 · 06-14-11, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

The name should remain! I've visited the memorial to this lab many times as an air cadet when gliding at Scampton, history is history and typically somebody who wasn't a part of that history wants to rewrite it. Will all the crews be American? Will they come back totally unscathed? Will they rework the bomb so it skates or skis across the water rather than bounces?

The film should not be remade, and if it can't be done with the two flying Lancasters in the world then it shouldn't be done ever! No CGI please.

Good point. I think they will try and make the movie as true to the real story as they can but yeah most likely will go CGI and whether all the crews will be Americans im hoping so, surely.

GoldenRivet · 06-14-11, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

Yeah ok , quite frankly that word should be washed clean from the worlds history books never to return .

along with all the other racist terminology or just the particular word in question?

just to clarify, because i was under the impression that all racist monikers were equally offensive, not just the one mentioned in the article.

BossMark · 06-14-11, 05:19 AM

Well Guy Gibson named is dog ****** then why change it, as far I am concerned the PC brigade can take a running jump.

View Poll Results: Should Nigga be changed to Digger
Hell its Dambusters! His name is ******, leave it as it is.	21	61.76%
Racist! Change it to Digger or im gonna shoot your nigga ass.	0	0%
Who cares! Kiwi_2005 has obviously ran out of coffee	4	11.76%
Facepalm	12	35.29%
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06-14-11, 05:13 AM	#1
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Warning Touchy subject: Dambusters dog is now called Digger not Nigga A decision had finally been made to change the name of the dog in Sir Peter Jackson‘s remake of The Dam Busters to ‘Digger’. “So what?”, I hear you say. Well, for those unfamiliar with the original story or film, the dog’s actual name is ‘****’. And yes, he’s a black labrador. Hmm, probably a very wise call me thinks. However, it has caused great debate, even in these more politcally correct times.[quote]Produced by Sir Peter Jackson, The Dam Busters will be a remake of the 1955 classic film starring Michael Redgrave and Richard Todd. The film, based on the true story of Squadron 617 of the Royal Air Force, will be directed by Jackson’s protege, first time director Christian Rivers. Stephen Fry is penning the script and will most likely play role, given his role in The Hobbit. A decision had finally been made to change the name of the dog in Sir Peter Jackson‘s remake of The Dam Busters to ‘Digger’. “So what?”, I hear you say. Well, for those unfamiliar with the original story or film, the dog’s actual name is ‘***’. And yes, he’s a black labrador. Hmm, probably a very wise call me thinks. However, it has caused great debate, even in these more politcally correct times. http://www.admitone.co.nz/2011/06/14...es-the-n-word/ True to the story the dog name should stay as *****. The word **** derives from the latin word niger meaning black man. A white person can't be a **. So is ** offensive? Well I don't know I wasn't brought up in the deep south of the USA and being colored myself I don't find it offensive. Over here we call white people Pakeha which means Stranger some white people dont like that name where others dont mind one bit. I think its all how you interpret these words. Gangsta rap artists add the ** word in their lyrics all the time its common to hear gonna shoot your nigga ass etc., and its ok. On the other hand for the sensitive types this is a dog where most likely in the movie nigga will be heard plenty of times. eg: Here nigga go fetch nigga good boy nigga! Some might get upset. They should leave the name as it is changing it kinda kills the movie imo, if its going to be a remake** they should not change a thing! No one is forcing those people who might find it offensive to go watch the movie. Only reason I could think off is if the PC groups get hold of this it could ruin a few careers, its not like Peter Jackson is doing an anti semite Mel Gibson rant. No offensive meant. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. Last edited by kiwi_2005; 06-14-11 at 05:33 AM.

06-14-11, 05:20 AM	#3
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I'm sure I have heard of this controversy for at least three or four times during the last several years, first time being when I still frequented Ubi's IL-2 forums back in high school. That's how I learned about the dog and its name in the first place. If they were less busy renaming dogs and more busy with filming, the freaking movie would be on the screens already! __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

06-14-11, 05:55 AM	#7
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	The name should remain! I've visited the memorial to this lab many times as an air cadet when gliding at Scampton, history is history and typically somebody who wasn't a part of that history wants to rewrite it. Will all the crews be American? Will they come back totally unscathed? Will they rework the bomb so it skates or skis across the water rather than bounces? The film should not be remade, and if it can't be done with the two flying Lancasters in the world then it shouldn't be done ever! No CGI please. [IMG]http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafscampton/rafcms/mediafiles/gallery/D648980D_1143_EC82_2EAEFA2F14E561EB/******s_grave_large.jpg[/IMG] __________________

06-14-11, 05:19 AM	#12
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Well Guy Gibson named is dog ****** then why change it, as far I am concerned the PC brigade can take a running jump. __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

06-14-11, 05:16 AM	#2
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Yeah ok , quite frankly that word should be washed clean from the worlds history books never to return .

06-14-11, 05:35 AM	#4
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Revising history is never a good thing.