Closing the 'Anchor Baby' Loophole

[Ducimus]

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

- Theodore Roosevelt

Wanted to post this, but couldn't find a better place then here. But it highlights a problem we have here in SoCal.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I don't disagree that we should have real reform with quotas and strict laws that are actually enforced. But the term "anchor baby" is wrong and takes away from the real work that needs to be done.

Why?

Actually, it's not a myth, it's a real problem. Sure, the parents are subject to deportation - but the child itself is NOT. That's where the problem lies, and closing such a loophole is an EXCELLENT idea.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Wanted to post this, but couldn't find a better place then here. But it highlights a problem we have here in SoCal.

Heh, that problem is even as far north as Milwaukee.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

We're being breed out of our own country.

Bred out of our own country??? I did not know that American was a breed?

Besides unless your a Native Indian, you have no cause to talk about being bred out of "your" country.

I wonder if the Indians had this same conversation

"Man, these anchor babies from Europe. They just anchor their ships and start breeding"

"You ain't kidding. Look around. Iroquois is now a second language!"

"Sheesh, we are being bred out of our own land."

"Might as well call all of the East Coast "England" or something huh?"

"I guess we will have to move a little West."

"There goes the neighbourhood"

[Ducimus]

You can tap dance around ethics, morals and history all you want, but being bred out of the area is EXACTLY what is happening. Like it or not. They do not integrate, nor do not identify themselves as Americans.



edit:
And just so you know, Montebello is in california.

[Aramike]

Platipus, I think you're missing the point. It's not about any culture being unwelcome. It's about their NATIONALISM being unwelcome.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Platipus, I think you're missing the point. It's not about any culture being unwelcome. It's about their NATIONALISM being unwelcome.

Living here, as the years go on, I see fewer and fewer Americans' and more and more foreign nationals, with English being spoken less and less. I guess I should just accept things, and start learning Spanish, eh? Truth be told, it's too late to do anything about illegal immigration now. That train left a few years ago, and this state is a lost cause.

[Platapus]

Sorta like the way Europeans integrated with the Indians?

No one ever said that the ethnic make up of the United States would never change.

"this state is a lost cause."

Well I hope you will pardon some of us who still think the USA is a pretty good place to live and also believe that the future will be ok. It won't be as bad as some fear, not as good as some want. But it will be ok.

And yeah, learning Spanish might be a good idea. Are there any other industrial nations in the world whose citizens speak only one language?

I wish I could speak another language, but I am too dumb. Have tried many times in the past, but, linguistically, I am an average American. I am not exactly proud of that though.

[Ducimus]

Platapus, I think the point of the angst has flown over your head at 50,000 feet. Go back and reread Teddy Roosevelts quote there. Then take a good look at those pictures, which are just the tip of the iceberg.

this state is a lost cause."

Well I hope you will pardon some of us who still think the USA

I said this STATE, not this COUNTRY, and California is indeed a lost cause, in more ways then one.

You know what I tell myself? Just to be fair? I tell myself they've decided to tear up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and take back some the lands we took from them during the Mexican American war. Seems only fair, doesn't it? In the meantime, i look forward to moving back to the good ole US. I don't much like living in an overcrowded and bankrupt foreign province.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Platapus, I think the point of the angst has flown over your head at 50,000 feet. Go back and reread Teddy Roosevelts quote there. Then take a good look at those pictures, which are just the tip of the iceberg.

your point is not that hard to understand. I just don't agree with it.

If you are going to quote TR, you might want to read all that he said

I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian.

I admire TR for many things, but as an authority on immigration? Nah

[Ducimus]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject. Immigration is one area where i lean so far to the right, i might as well have scoliosis. I'm fiercely nationalistic.

(edit: when filling out forms and it asks for ethnicity, I always check the "other" box and write in, "American". I never specify Chinese, German, or Cherokee. Which is what my parents backgrounds were.)

[tater]

I don't think it's just nationalism, I think it is basic fairness. Immigration is a contract. We welcome the (legal) immigrants, and they agree to do their best to become Americans. We offer them our culture, and we happily absorb the parts of their culture we feel are useful. Typically this means their cuisine, and since english loves to steal words, bits of language.

I'm all for the cuisine, and the odd bit of spanglish is fine, too. But they need to become AMERICAN or GTFO.

Illegals should all be ejected. Every single one of them. Amnesty? Sure, we tell them to voluntarily leave, and then we won't discriminate against them if they try again LEGALLY. If they get ejected, they should be disallowed legal entry for the rest of their lives. I'd also let more in legally.

People in a group called "the race" (la Raza) should be treated exactly as we'd treat whites in neo nazi or KKK type organizations.

[Aramike]

Sorta like the way Europeans integrated with the Indians?

Yeah, and I bet the Indians were pretty pissed off about it then, but there was little they could do about it.

So, are we wrong to be pissed off about it NOW when there's things that CAN be done?

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Bred out of our own country??? I did not know that American was a breed?

Besides unless your a Native Indian, you have no cause to talk about being bred out of "your" country.

I wonder if the Indians had this same conversation

"Man, these anchor babies from Europe. They just anchor their ships and start breeding"

"You ain't kidding. Look around. Iroquois is now a second language!"

"Sheesh, we are being bred out of our own land."

"Might as well call all of the East Coast "England" or something huh?"

"I guess we will have to move a little West."

"There goes the neighbourhood"

That's exactly what they did and they took up arms against us and we defeated them. Why did we defeat them? Because they were splintered and failed to unite against the growing threat. We bought loyalty from certain tribes and then dispossessed them from their lands when we had no more use for them. We kept them fighting each other and played on the tribes distrust for our gain. Like it or not we didn't immigrate we invaded and took what we wanted. Guess what it's natures natural cycle. But at least they said enough and tried to mount resistance I give them credit for that.

You know what I tell myself? Just to be fair? I tell myself they've decided to tear up the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and take back some the lands we took from them during the Mexican American war.

Thats funny, especially when you complain about language also quoted some fella who played a role in taking more Spanish speaking territory which of course still has Spanish as an official language.
So in case you missed it, you were quoting someone who wanted every citizen to speak English, yet who partook in action that ensured that more Spanish speakers became citizens and were allowed to officialy speak Spanish as a first language in America.

Plus of course as Platypus mentioned, maybe Teddy ain't really a good person to quote when you are talking about different peoples and the nature of the state.